Rivian's Future

[Max]

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First to market doesn't make it "exceptionally great." "Innovative," "Creative" or "Groundbreaking," Yes. As for my opinion on misses to describe it as exceptional, here are a few off the top of my head:

Ford has better frunk design - access and drain
Ford has better and more appropriate external power delivery - 9+Kw
Choosing a base wheel that is a somewhat unique size
Lack of power lift tailgate or power open/close gear tunnel doors
Problems with electronic tonneau cover
Need to use hands on paint to open and close gear tunnel

Many client objections:
Lack of Apple CarPlay
Insufficient storage in the cabin
Reliance on touch screen for almost all functions
Lack of HUD
Location of interior door handles
Lack of A pillar grips
Electronic front vent directional control
No step for bed
Rear window does not open

YMMV

edit: can't leave out spare tire in/under the bed

Bold one's are definitely on my list.

I however I like the spare tire in bed. In all the cases that I blew a tire, the vehicle was not loaded. Tire under the truck makes sense for F150. Rivian has an off-road mission. In all the places I have seen an R1T blow a tire, I much rather pick it up from the bed. And having it under probably would reduce it's ground clearance with this design.

I am sure I am in minority but except windows, I rather have all doors like Liftgate, fronk, door handles, tonneau cover .... manual.

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[Crotchetyoldfart]

@Crotchetyoldfart I will say that your name precedes you though.

Touche

 

[ironpig]

Nope, but it's not because of my lack of trying. Rivian won't even provide me with an estimate of when they will bring a demo to my state.

I never took a trip on the Titanic or Hindenburg, or rode a penny farthing. They were all very innovative, but I'm pretty confident they all had a few design issues.

I have actually seen a hipster riding a penny farthing in Silver Lake. I looked everywhere for cameras assuming it was a skit being filmed, but it was not.

 

[ironpig]

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Bold one's are definitely on my list.

I however I like the spare tire in bed. In all the cases that I blew a tire, the vehicle was not loaded. Tire under the truck makes sense for F150. Rivian has an off-road mission. In all the places I have seen an R1T blow a tire, I much rather pick it up from the bed. And having it under probably would reduce it's ground clearance with this design.

I am sure I am in minority but except windows, I rather have all doors like Liftgate, fronk, door handles, tonneau cover .... manual.

Agreed on preferring all manual doors, windows, latches etc.

Also agreed on the tire placement in the bed. And if in some rare instance someone wants to build out the truck expedition style they can always bed mount (like the Rebelle Rally Rivian) or rear mount a couple tires to other places. Then you still have that extra locked under bed compartment for even more hidden storage if you need it. I think it's a good design.

 

[crashmtb]

Anyone who’s had to deal with an externally mounted spare that has to be lowered from under the back of the vehicle after being stored there for several years of winter and salt and muck is surely grateful for the spare being where it is. So you might need to unload the bed. BFD, at least you know the spare will come out and is in good shape!

 

[Max]

Agreed on preferring all manual doors, windows, latches etc.

Also agreed on the tire placement in the bed. And if in some rare instance someone wants to build out the truck expedition style they can always bed mount (like the Rebelle Rally Rivian) or rear mount a couple tires to other places. Then you still have that extra locked under bed compartment for even more hidden storage if you need it. I think it's a good design.

One thing I would have loved to have was Ridgeline style back seat where you can flip it up and use the flat floor. They could put the sub where the Bluetooth speaker is.

 

[crashmtb]

One thing I would have loved to have was Ridgeline style back seat where you can flip it up and use the flat floor. They could put the sub where the Bluetooth speaker is.

I like the setup on dodge trucks where the seat bottom folds up, at the back, and a steel floor is unfolded to give a flat surface.

however, with the size of the opening on the R1T’s rear doors, it makes more sense thst the seat bottoms are hinged at the front. There’s greater access to the underseat storage that way.

 

[Max]

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I like the setup on dodge trucks where the seat bottom folds up, at the back, and a steel floor is unfolded to give a flat surface.

however, with the size of the opening on the R1T’s rear doors, it makes more sense thst the seat bottoms are hinged at the front. theres greater access to the underseat storage thst way.

RJ said they designed the truck around the tunnel. I guess rear doors had to be sacrificed.

p.s. The tire under the truck probably was not that great for aerodynamic either. And who would want to get their Patagonia jacket muddy to get to it.

 

[AdamsFan1983]

@Crotchetyoldfart, How dare you classify the Beloved R1T with the Hindenburg! JK, mostly.
Fair enough I asked so I won't argue. I will say that your name precedes you though.

At least the Hindenburg and the titanic had plenty of cupholders

 

[E.S.]

Rear window does not open

edit: can't leave out spare tire in/under the bed

Are people for getting that the rear window area also houses the area where the tonneau rolls up and the gear tunnel is situated? Having a window that now opens down into that section would cut into the tonneau's and gear tunnel's area.

Regarding the spare tire - Again, people are forgetting the batteries are housed down beneath the truck. Molding a space for the spare would not only affect ground clearance, but also cut into the battery area and armor plating.

I do not understand. Rivian has marked this vehicle as an adventure vehicle aimed specifically at that lifestyle, yet many out there keep wanting to treat this as a work truck and the typical features work trucks have.

At least the Hindenburg and the titanic had plenty of cupholders

Yeah, and we saw all the good that did for those two

 

[crashmtb]

At least the Hindenburg and the titanic had plenty of cupholders

Did they though? ?

 

[Monkey]

Still too early to tell. Remember that Rivian is now breaking in its 4th month into production mode. Will they have Tesla's issues? No clue. But they will have 1st production issues. It's a hurdle all new companies have to face to gain production experience.

And add supply chain / pandemic issues onto that. Look at what GM is running into with the Hummer EV and Ford with the Lightning. Or just the auto industry as a whole in terms of building and delivering ICE vehicles right now. This is not the time to be starting up a new EV production…. Or is it? If Rivian pulls this off, I would believe they can handle anything.

 

[RideAlong]

It's Dicey - and the production problems , hiring woes @ the Illinois factory , the stock price free fall and the dearth of communications certainly give pause. I hope they make it though.

 

[the long way downunder]

Curious what you mean by this.

Largest IPO in the US in 2021 and 7th largest in US history that raised more than 12 billion dollars for the company.

Not sure how that could possibly be considered a bungled IPO.

Right, "bungled" is the wrong word … backfired?
I mean the price behavior of $RIVN has made the company look like it's in trouble and has "everybody" under water. The rest of that paragraph explains what I meant – your excerpt focusing on a single word ignores the composition of the paragraph. So there! : )

 

[Trandall]

Right, "bungled" is the wrong word … backfired?
I mean the price behavior of $RIVN has made the company look like it's in trouble and has "everybody" under water. The rest of that paragraph explains what I meant – your excerpt focusing on a single word ignores the composition of the paragraph. So there! : )

I think you are conflating our investment in DSP with Rivians IPO. Do you think Rivian should have waited to IPO until the market wasn't as hot (like now) and there was more competition to IPO? As it stands Rivian raising 12-13 billion in IPO seems like it was nearly best case scenario.
Rivian IS "in trouble" from the standpoint of an extremely tough auto manufacturing environment, competition coming in hot and heavy and launching multiple new products of enormous magnitude simultaneously and having zero experience as a company. I'm not surprised it's a bumpy ride. If they succeed we will be rewarded with awesome trucks, service after the sale, and stock gains.

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