PIN to Drive?

[Donald Stanfield]

If you don't use a FOB but PAAK, they cannot intercept the signal the same way, correct?

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[EVtowing]

If you don't use a FOB but PAAK, they cannot intercept the signal the same way, correct?

My understanding is that if PAAK is properly implemented it is much more secure than a typical fob, but it’s not perfect. Note: I am not a security expert or IT professional.

 

[godfodder0901]

If you don't use a FOB but PAAK, they cannot intercept the signal the same way, correct?

It is not immune from attack.

My understanding is that if PAAK is properly implemented it is much more secure than a typical fob, but it’s not perfect. Note: I am not a security expert or IT professional.

Both PaaK and FOB use BLE (not the typical RF with rolling code found in older FOBs) in the case of Gen 1 and can be secure if done properly. But if improperly implemented, it won't matter if you use your PaaK or FOB.

 

[Riviot]

Why not 2FA to drive while we're at it?

 

[Erik+]

Pin to drive is going to do about zero unless you consistently keep your screen spotless, or do they randomly relocate the numbers on the pad entry?

 

[ElGuano]

Pin to drive is going to do about zero unless you consistently keep your screen spotless.

It's a software keypad, I'm sure they can annoyingly shuffle the display to maximize opsec

 

[eskudo12791]

Pin to drive is going to do about zero unless you consistently keep your screen spotless, or do they randomly relocate the numbers on the pad entry?

There are 10,000 possibilities for four-digit combinations.... they are going to be in my truck a while.

 

[Erik+]

I'd prefer them not to be in my truck in the first place.

 

[godfodder0901]

There are 10,000 possibilities for four-digit combinations.... they are going to be in my truck a while.

His point is that you could use the visible finger smudges to narrow it down to 4 or less digits, leaving only 24 possibilities.

 

[eskudo12791]

His point is that you could use the visible finger smudges to narrow it down to 4 or less digits, leaving only 24 possibilities.

The point is still null, 24 possibilities is still going to take a while, and with pin to drive being implemented I doubt they wouldn't enable a lockout after X failed attempts.

 

[godfodder0901]

The point is still null, 24 possibilities is still going to take a while, and with pin to drive being implemented I doubt they wouldn't enable a lockout after X failed attempts.

I bet all of those celebs hit by the FAPining thought the same about Apple...

 

[eskudo12791]

I bet all of those celebs hit by the FAPining thought the same about Apple...

Really not sure how you're getting this far away from the root thread, and ultimately that situation was social engineering, not brute forcing a 4 digit pin. Whole lot of whataboutism, while we are at it, banks should stop using 4 digit pins at ATMs.

 

[SANZC02]

His point is that you could use the visible finger smudges to narrow it down to 4 or less digits, leaving only 24 possibilities.

He is correct there are 10k possibilities, any number between 0000-9999.

I don’t care if they implement it but I have never set it up on my Tesla.

 

[eskudo12791]

I don’t care if they implement it but I have never set it up on my Tesla.

Pin to drive has use cases where it would be nice. Where I work I cant take my phone inside and if I do it sits on open shelving where anyone could walk out to my truck and drive away. Dont love the bulk of the fob, credit card key is the easiest/ more secure.

 

[EVtowing]

It's a software keypad, I'm sure they can annoyingly shuffle the display to maximize opsec

Tesla does that; the PIN entry keypad is randomly moved around the display.

But as others have pointed out that probably isn’t necessary.

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