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I guess it will depend on the Enduro reviews from actual trail "adventures" once they show up on YT and such. If they get close to a locker thing going it will sell like hotcakes! Right now the quad motor control leaves much to be desired when 1 or 2 wheels are off the ground.
Yeah I'm sitting on a quad max pack that I'm happy to wait on at this point. I strongly suspect that I'll be happy with hardware revisions and improvements that Rivian has by the time max pack is released.
Exactly! The quad has it's advantages, no doubt, but the dual will undoubtedly have lockers (it's an adventure vehicle after all) but I do think the quad requires a bit of fine tuning to make it feel more locked, but part of it is a different approach by the driver to stay on the gas to allow wheels to find their traction.
My current theory is this:
RJ did say quite some time ago that the max pack should have the same performance figures. Or that he'd like it to. Rivian probably kept stepping up the power to the Bosch motors so they could hit the 3.0s 0-60 target, since it was originally supposed to have 750 hp(at least when I reserved mine) and they ended up at 835. I wouldn't think they have much room left without Bosch saying they won't warrant drive failures anymore. Rivian will probably need to produce nearly 900 hp with the extra weight to stay at that figure.I'm hopeful the delay is more of an architecture related one over a battery form factor issue. I'd love to infer what is going on at Rivian HQ, but i'd rather just keep my expectations grounded.
But, I can't help myself so...
I do think that the Enduro dual motor setup will be an 800V one because otherwise, what's the point of developing it? And the enduro motor will eventually make its way into the quad motor variant bringing with it the 800V arch.
I honestly would be surprised if it didn't end up going this way. Rivian is shipping dual motor+max pack (6 months?) before dual+large/standard and quad/max. I think the odds are good that sometime in late 2023, Rivian will have shipped their last 400V vehicle (if they can stay on their timeline)
Same. What I'm really curious about is what they do from start of dual motor delivery through start of quad max. Sounds like they plan on carrying components and different pack configurations for awhile, which sounds a bit inefficient.
I mean it's no different than anything else, It's like buying a tesla even a few months ago, one might have 2170 form factor cells, the next day it had a 4180's. Will charge rate affect resale, probably, but the core of the vehicle is still there, so I can't see it affecting its bottom line, just higher charge rate resale market might justify a markup.If they do indeed transition to 800V architecture, how much will that affect the resale value of their vehicles made even up to the final production day of the 400V vehicles?
You get your 400V Rivian which was built on March 31st, all Rivian's built on April 1st and after are 800V
I would guess there might be some difference to resale, but I'm fine with 400V and pre 3/1 pricing. I also recognize that with any technology, something better is always going to come along. How much will 800v vs 400v matter for everyday driving? And for road trips, I know it will save time, but how much, 10-20 minutes each stop, assuming 20% to 80% (depending on charger)? I know that time can add up over time, but for a lot of people I don't think they will notice much of a difference. If someone has a better guess please let me know.If they do indeed transition to 800V architecture, how much will that affect the resale value of their vehicles made even up to the final production day of the 400V vehicles?
You get your 400V Rivian which was built on March 31st, all Rivian's built on April 1st and after are 800V
Max pack and 800V charging will likely save a third of the charging time if the person driving is trying to optimize for it.
Look at a map of BC(or for that matter all of Canada west of Ontario) showing chargers of 50kw output or more....then look at temperatures between November and April.
I'll trust you it's damn cold!!!Look at a map of BC(or for that matter all of Canada west of Ontario) showing chargers of 50kw output or more....then look at temperatures between November and April.
That's the case for max pack
I would expect that most folks charge almost exclusively at home. For them, 400V vs. 800V would likely have minimal impact. The vehicle still has great range with Large pack and awesome range with Max pack (as advertised) and superb performance. They all will have some depreciation and I expect this to just be par for the course. Demand isn't going down and there just aren't that many choices out there - even with everyone else getting on the bandwagon. If you were lucky enough to get pre-1 Mar pricing, you will almost certainly have positive equity for a while. Just my $.02...If they do indeed transition to 800V architecture, how much will that affect the resale value of their vehicles made even up to the final production day of the 400V vehicles?
You get your 400V Rivian which was built on March 31st, all Rivian's built on April 1st and after are 800V
