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Did you connect one split line to both batteries? So both 12v batteries are now directly connected? Without opening mine and looking, I'm not sure if they are.
I connected each of my two batteries to a separate trickle charger. I wanted to keep the batteries separate so I could check their health status separately with my battery tester.
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Upon further review, I think I'll get a new trickle charger that does 2 batteries. TBD on routing still. My motorcycle charger is 6/12v 1.5amp output. While it would be fine for a single battery, it'd likely max it's output continuously, which doesn't give me warm and fuzzies.

To answer questions about new batteries for 2 battery rigs, they replace with the same as the original from 2021/2022. I'd really like it replaced with a single battery / super-cap, which must be possible, but likely requires a new wiring harness. Or just too much work to reroute.

Rivian R1T R1S Gen 1 Vampire Drain (Possibly) Solved (or Hacked) 1000001634
 

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Wow, this is an interesting and informative thread!! So I have a new 2025 R1T with only 1200 miles, with (I would hope) a new, healthy 12V battery. But I am seeing big VD numbers, and having been out of town for 2 weeks the R1T was sitting on my driveway in chilly Cincinnati. From when we left to return (12 days) it lost 55 Kwh or 5Kwh per day. Since a 12V trickle charger is inexpensive, and I already have two power banks (300Wh and 1000Wh), I figured I would trickle charge that 12V battery and compare with the VD I've been seeing so far. I'll report back on my results. P.S. Anyone else with a near new Rivian seeing this kind of VD level?
5kwh loss per day is way way too much. That's not normal. Personally I'd rather have Rivian investigate and fix that, rather than trying to mask the issue with a trickle charger. While you were away - was s gear guard off, and was your phone/fob far enough away from the vehicle to not be constantly waking it? At the very least, sign up for electrafi and see if your car is sleeping at all as a first step in the debug process.
 

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5kwh loss per day is way way too much. That's not normal. Personally I'd rather have Rivian investigate and fix that, rather than trying to mask the issue with a trickle charger. While you were away - was s gear guard off, and was your phone/fob far enough away from the vehicle to not be constantly waking it? At the very least, sign up for electrafi and see if your car is sleeping at all as a first step in the debug process.
Thanks tjrivian, I've signed up for the electrafi (I was wondering how people had accessed that data!) and will start tracking right now.
To answer your other question, both phones were 1500 miles away, but the cameras were left on for security purposes - the Rivian is on the driveway.
 

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Upon further review, I think I'll get a new trickle charger that does 2 batteries. TBD on routing still. My motorcycle charger is 6/12v 1.5amp output. While it would be fine for a single battery, it'd likely max it's output continuously, which doesn't give me warm and fuzzies.
I think you made a wise decision, and you're correct on the load.. it takes more than 1.5 amps to keep the batts charged. The NOCO unit in my photo seemed to be a very high quality unit and was 100% sealed up. I expect it would last many years in use.
 

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Did you test? @CO-rayman seems to have less loss charging both, but single is still an improvement.
I hooked it up to the main battery and the results were worse than just using the OBDII port for some reason. I'll likely hook up the secondary battery at some point, but using the OBDII works for my intended use case. I'm not so concerned about vampire drain at home, just when we are on trips.
 

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I hooked it up to the main battery and the results were worse than just using the OBDII port for some reason. I'll likely hook up the secondary battery at some point, but using the OBDII works for my intended use case. I'm not so concerned about vampire drain at home, just when we are on trips.
This would be my main use case too, unless something permanent and without requiring plugging in is figured out.

I Imagine both cases would involve the battery tender, a power station battery, and a solar panel.

Could a standard 100w panel and fairly small power station keep the 12v topped up?
 

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Well now my TCO/economist/cheap-ass mindset kicks in: what's the break-even point for setting this up?

Not factoring in saved battery life, and just raw kWh saved, in my case loss is 1.5%/1.9kWh each night (I won't factor total day loss as whatever happens away from home can't be fixed). If it uses .5kWh with the trickle charger, and my TOU rate is pretty low, annual energy savings is $33.

NOCO and SAE to O ring adapters are $110 total, so 3.3 years to break even. Add magnetic connectors because I'm lazy and don't want to fiddle with SAE twice a day, $230 takes 7 years.

Just over 3 years is when the batteries are about due for replacement anyway, right? I'd be saving some every year after, but with a daily hassle. I'm not sure I'm up for that.
 

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Well now my TCO/economist/cheap-ass mindset kicks in: what's the break-even point for setting this up?

Not factoring in saved battery life, and just raw kWh saved, in my case loss is 1.5%/1.9kWh each night (I won't factor total day loss as whatever happens away from home can't be fixed). If it uses .5kWh with the trickle charger, and my TOU rate is pretty low, annual energy savings is $33.

NOCO and SAE to O ring adapters are $110 total, so 3.3 years to break even. Add magnetic connectors because I'm lazy and don't want to fiddle with SAE twice a day, $230 takes 7 years.

Just over 3 years is when the batteries are about due for replacement anyway, right? I'd be saving some every year after, but with a daily hassle. I'm not sure I'm up for that.
Yeah, this is all cool but for me I'm interested in vampire drain solutions when out camping or other cases where the range hit is the main problem. Some of these could lead to that, but it would still have to be a long trip to be worth it.
 

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Yeah, this is all cool but for me I'm interested in vampire drain solutions when out camping or other cases where the range hit is the main problem. Some of these could lead to that, but it would still have to be a long trip to be worth it.
I usually run the DC-AC frequently while camping, or have a fridge in there, so DC-DC can fire up during the cycle and recharge without much impact. I factor in 5-10% drain each day for those reasons. Mainly heated blanket at night.
 

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Well now my TCO/economist/cheap-ass mindset kicks in: what's the break-even point for setting this up?

Not factoring in saved battery life, and just raw kWh saved, in my case loss is 1.5%/1.9kWh each night (I won't factor total day loss as whatever happens away from home can't be fixed). If it uses .5kWh with the trickle charger, and my TOU rate is pretty low, annual energy savings is $33.

NOCO and SAE to O ring adapters are $110 total, so 3.3 years to break even. Add magnetic connectors because I'm lazy and don't want to fiddle with SAE twice a day, $230 takes 7 years.

Just over 3 years is when the batteries are about due for replacement anyway, right? I'd be saving some every year after, but with a daily hassle. I'm not sure I'm up for that.
While I usually love ROI analysis, I don't think these numbers are relevant with regards to a $100,000 vehicle. I do think a valid alternative approach would be to just proactively replace the battery(ies) every 2 years to minimize the risk of a bricked/stranded vehicle. I wish Rivian would make battery replacement options easier from a parts and self-install perspective, ala ICE batteries. I do understand that it's different when a HV battery is involved but this could have been anticipated and better planned for owner management and replacement.
 

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Well now my TCO/economist/cheap-ass mindset kicks in: what's the break-even point for setting this up?

Not factoring in saved battery life, and just raw kWh saved, in my case loss is 1.5%/1.9kWh each night (I won't factor total day loss as whatever happens away from home can't be fixed). If it uses .5kWh with the trickle charger, and my TOU rate is pretty low, annual energy savings is $33.

NOCO and SAE to O ring adapters are $110 total, so 3.3 years to break even. Add magnetic connectors because I'm lazy and don't want to fiddle with SAE twice a day, $230 takes 7 years.

Just over 3 years is when the batteries are about due for replacement anyway, right? I'd be saving some every year after, but with a daily hassle. I'm not sure I'm up for that.
Not to pile on, but it's far from assured that the 12v battery in many Rivians will make it to the three-year mark. Mine was replaced (I have single battery/super cap setup) after just six months, and there are many stories of failures well before even the two-year mark. In fairness however, my battery was apparently only in the early stages of mortality, and didn't absolutely need to be replaced. It's likely that it would have lasted a bit longer, albeit with increasing risk of catastrophic failure with little advance warning.
 

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Not to pile on, but it's far from assured that the 12v battery in many Rivians will make it to the three-year mark. Mine was replaced (I have single battery/super cap setup) after just six months, and there are many stories of failures well before even the two-year mark. In fairness however, my battery was apparently only in the early stages of mortality, and didn't absolutely need to be replaced. It's likely that it would have lasted a bit longer, albeit with increasing risk of catastrophic failure with little advance warning.
Exactly the same here. Single 12V setup and I have had 2 12V batteries replaced in 1.5 years. I only noticed something was wrong by observing the VERY frequent sleep/wake cycles using Electrafi. Service confirmed that the 12V's were in the early stage of failure. If I hadn't noticed, I probably would have had a 12V failure in the worst possible situation (late night/far from home).

After the first 2 failed, I now keep the vehicle plugged into OBD2 charger in the garage. I only drive it once or so a week, and the VD was really bugging me!!! (~1.5-2kWh a day) So much wasted energy!!! Now I get about .3kWh drain a day.
 

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Exactly the same here. Single 12V setup and I have had 2 12V batteries replaced in 1.5 years. I only noticed something was wrong by observing the VERY frequent sleep/wake cycles using Electrafi. Service confirmed that the 12V's were in the early stage of failure. If I hadn't noticed, I probably would have had a 12V failure in the worst possible situation (late night/far from home).

After the first 2 failed, I now keep the vehicle plugged into OBD2 charger in the garage. I only drive it once or so a week, and the VD was really bugging me!!! (~1.5-2kWh a day) So much wasted energy!!! Now I get about .3kWh drain a day.
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