Frunk really not safe?

[MikeWilliams_R1T]

Think like a thief.

Thieves will take the time to loosen every torx screw if:

• They've cased you already.
• They've observed you at the same location multiple times, putting away valuable items and leaving it unattended for X amount of time.
• And they've determined, where the vehicle is parked, allows them X amount of time to do their thing unobserved.
• And they've determined whatever it is you have is valuable enough for them to research, plan their crime, then take the time loosen every single fastener and locate the emergency release. This, however, is unlikely. Because it's way faster for them to jamb a crowbar under the hood and just brute force the hood open. At this point, you'd wish they had known about the less damaging emergency release.

Or a small claw hammer to rip out the panel so you can pull the string.

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[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Or a small claw hammer to rip out the panel so you can pull the string.

If they know about the string, yes. But most will just go straight to the hood and brute force it like any smash-and-grab. Time is their enemy. The more time they spend to get at the loot, their risk of being seen increases. So basically rule to protect yourself if you absolutely have to transport valuables: Be vigilant of surroundings. Avoid being seen with valuables. And make access to valuables as inconvenient as possible.

 

[Laserboy1054]

Most auto crimes are purely opportunistic. The bad guys aren't intersted in going through a complex process. And very few even know that you have a frunk--if they were to break into that region, it would be to steal a battery. The flip side is much more of a concern: lots and lots of people will simply smash-and-grab whatever is sitting out--they can always throw it away later. Your frunk probably is about as secure as it's going to get.

Just be glad your Rivian doesn't have a catalytic converter!

 

[HighVoltOverland]

Ya’ll are gonna flip when you discover what a rock or hammer through a window can accomplish

 

[LivingInKaos]

Out of sight, out of mind.... Unless your vehicle is in a spot where they can make all the noise they want for as long as they want, they are only going to take what is easy and in plain sight. Even in the frunk, if they managed to get it open, they likely wouldn't even think to lift the shelf to see what's underneath. Even still - there's a reason most places have signs saying not to leave valuables in the vehicle when parked. If someone really wants it, they are going to get it whether it's locked or not.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Out of sight, out of mind.... Unless your vehicle is in a spot where they can make all the noise they want for as long as they want, they are only going to take what is easy and in plain sight. Even in the frunk, if they managed to get it open, they likely wouldn't even think to lift the shelf to see what's underneath. Even still - there's a reason most places have signs saying not to leave valuables in the vehicle when parked. If someone really wants it, they are going to get it whether it's locked or not.

Yup. This is exactly why "secured" underground garages and parking structures are anything but.

 

[csharp]

A lot of y'all sure know a lot about thinking like a thief

 

[Jeff B.]

When I was in high school, I had installed several bass speakers in my truck. A friend of mine told me to alternate the screw types (ie Phillips, Torx, Hex, etc..) when I screwed in the components and the speakers. He said if someone tried to steal them they would likely not have all of the correct bits or drivers to remove anything. As fate would have it, one night someone broke into the truck, they broke the hood open and disconnected the main battery cable, then jimmied the door open and tried to remove the speakers and amplifiers, but could only remove the Phillips head screws, not the others ones. Something must have scared them because they abandoned the attempt to steal anything and left in a hurry, leaving a nice Makita drill on the floor of the truck.

Point being most thieves are opportunistic and don't thin k that far ahead.

 

[CrazyOne]

^ This.

You're talking multiple Torx bolts in hard-to-reach spots, being undone by someone laying on the ground halfway under your truck (hopefully Gear Guard would catch this), probably in the dark, then fumbling for a pull cord (which is not easy to reach unless someone's done it multiple times)... I mean, could someone do it? Sure. But as a crime of opportunity someone is a lot more likely to just "smash & grab" a window.

TL;DR. Use gear tunnel for best safety.

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Funny story this thread reminded me of, though. Back in my Ne'er-do-well high school days, we knew one guy who used to come to the junkyards with us. While we were getting parts to fix our crappy old cars, he was practicing removing radios from junk cars. So he could learn to steal them faster.

Gear tunnel is not safe. If you have a PTC, bed is the only thing that will take something more than glass break or screwdriver to open.

And good chance the PTC cannot be opened by anyone and it's broken

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

A lot of y'all sure know a lot about thinking like a thief

Victims learn things.

 

[Mathme]

Corner ... meet ... Case

Yes, someone could remove the cover, reach up under the fender and make like they are inseminating a cow, pull the cord, and open the frunk.

The likeliness of this happening is really low. For a thief to be motivated enough to do so would require they know that's a Frunk, how to perform the procedures, not be noticed in the process, all on the possibility that there may be something in there worth taking.

Why would they do that when there's easier marks out there that likely have a higher reward. As my dad used to say, "out of sight, out of mind."

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I'd say its security through obscurity.

Why go through all that hassle to get to a compartment that most of the time will be empty?

Unless some bluetooth device is advertising its existence to the world I see no reason not to store valuables there.

That being said I rarely store anything there as I'll forget that I even put it there. I did recently put stuff there as I wanted it in a place that was out of sight. It was for a road trip so it wasn't like I was going to forget to take it out.

Sometimes the whole forgetting thing happens. Like the other day I was at home depot with stuff to throw in the back of my R1T and when I opened it I was rudely reminded that I had put cardboard there that I completely forgot about. Oops.

I think the whole forgetting things trumpets security concerns.

 

[antimatter]

While it might be a potential vulnerability, I don't see it as a practical one.

A prybar would still be the preferred route of a dedicated thief. Even then, that assumes a lot of knowledge of Rivian's, the desire to get into a trunk over the cab, and the time to do it unobserved. This is going to be a rare combination.

I worry about smash & grabs on the windows. I don't worry about this.

As an aside, a buddy of mine drove a Geo Metro in college. He always left it unlocked because the stereo cost less than the windows.

 

[portdirect]

Gear Guard motion cam would catch and deter anyone from doing this. (Unless of course they overwhelmed it with too much movement)

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Why would they do that when there's easier marks out there

That's right! Invite friends along [in their own cars] and have them bring the expensive stuff instead of your own.

Gear Guard motion cam would catch and deter anyone from doing this. (Unless of course they overwhelmed it with too much movement)

Unfortunately Gary isn't always on duty. And Tesla owners have already proven vandals don't know or care that your car has cameras.

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