Colorado Checking In

[obababoy]

Why did you select the max pack? with access to the supercharger network and all the new chargers coming online I think the max pack is not necessary unless you tow a lot.

Initially as my first EV i thought 400miles of range is great, camping with induction cook tops and all that would benefit from larger battery, towing potential (no camper or toys yet), and being new to Colorado I want to get after some road trips and adventures into the mountains.

Now though with the price differential, delays, and capability of quad, idk if it's worth it to keep holding out. Also yeah I don't tow alot or at all right now.

My 04 landrover discovery with 160k miles is getting tired and my 32 mile highway commute to work at 13mpg and premium fuel is not cheap either.

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[AlexF]

I recently picked up a launch edition from the shop and have a question for those of you that signed the BPA and amended your 2022 federal return (sorry if this has already been answered). Do you also amend your 2022 state return as well with the same 8/15/2022 purchase date?

 

[zefram47]

Initially as my first EV i thought 400miles of range is great, camping with induction cook tops and all that would benefit from larger battery, towing potential (no camper or toys yet), and being new to Colorado I want to get after some road trips and adventures into the mountains.

As an aside, with the 20"s and ATs the "max pack" as currently being offered is likely to only see around 330 miles, or maybe 45 miles more than the Quad+Large by EPA rating. Originally the max pack was supposed to be 180 kWh or 45 kWh (~100 miles) more than than the large pack...no one knows for sure, but it seems that it's now 165 kWh instead. Anyway...with ATs, you will not get 400 miles. I was a holdout until Dec 22 when they told us Quad+Max was not going to be made and got a Quad+Large. I haven't towed yet, but that was the biggest reason I was wanting the max pack. Short version is that as long as you can get to the top of the mountain you wish to play in or transit, you can more or less get where you're going. I've been getting around 1 mi/kWh climbing and the display maxes out at 4 mi/kWh (assuming it's actually higher) on the descents. Off-road, I've been seeing more like 0.3-0.6 mi/kWh climbing a trail and then gaining a few percent on the way back down.

 

[Warmoth]

I recently picked up a launch edition from the shop and have a question for those of you that signed the BPA and amended your 2022 federal return (sorry if this has already been answered). Do you also amend your 2022 state return as well with the same 8/15/2022 purchase date?

From another forum topic, it looks like the Colorado tax credit is filed for the year of which you take. You do not amend back to 2022. See post #12. Link: (30) Colorado Tax Credits | Rivian Forum - R1T R1S R2 News, Specs, Models, RIVN Stock -- Rivianforums.com

Also link to Colorado Dept. Rev. flyer: (link: Income Tax Topics: Innovative Truck Credit (colorado.gov) )

Claiming the credit A purchaser, lessee, or financing entity who has accepted assignment of the credit must file a Colorado income tax return to claim the credit. The credit may be claimed only on the return filed for the tax year in which the purchaser or lessee purchased or leased the qualifying truck. In general, the purchase or lease is not considered complete until the purchaser or lessee takes possession of the truck. Anyone claiming the credit must complete and submit form DR 0617 with their return. For information about other required documentation, please see the instructions for form DR 0617, available online at Tax.Colorado.gov/DR0617. If the allowable credit exceeds the taxpayer’s tax liability for the tax year, the excess credit will be refunded to the taxpayer.

 

[AlexF]

From another forum topic, it looks like the Colorado tax credit is filed for the year of which you take. You do not amend back to 2022. See post #12. Link: (30) Colorado Tax Credits | Rivian Forum - R1T R1S R2 News, Specs, Models, RIVN Stock -- Rivianforums.com

Also link to Colorado Dept. Rev. flyer: (link: Income Tax Topics: Innovative Truck Credit (colorado.gov) )

Claiming the credit A purchaser, lessee, or financing entity who has accepted assignment of the credit must file a Colorado income tax return to claim the credit. The credit may be claimed only on the return filed for the tax year in which the purchaser or lessee purchased or leased the qualifying truck. In general, the purchase or lease is not considered complete until the purchaser or lessee takes possession of the truck. Anyone claiming the credit must complete and submit form DR 0617 with their return. For information about other required documentation, please see the instructions for form DR 0617, available online at Tax.Colorado.gov/DR0617. If the allowable credit exceeds the taxpayer’s tax liability for the tax year, the excess credit will be refunded to the taxpayer.

Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for.

 

[BrentInCO]

First R1S ascent of Ophir Pass?

 

[usulio]

Initially as my first EV i thought 400miles of range is great, camping with induction cook tops and all that would benefit from larger battery, towing potential (no camper or toys yet), and being new to Colorado I want to get after some road trips and adventures into the mountains.

Now though with the price differential, delays, and capability of quad, idk if it's worth it to keep holding out. Also yeah I don't tow alot or at all right now.

I would save $12,000 and months of waiting and get the quad motor now. What really kills range is speed (air resistance). The beauty of Colorado road trips is a lot of smaller roads with lower speed limits. The mountains don't really hurt range that much, well they do going up, but you make up for it pretty well coming back down. Especially if you have the patience to stick to the speed limit for trips where you really need the range boost.

I've found that if I'm not on I-70 too much and I keep the speed down I can average over 2.4 miles/kWh in a quad R1S on 20" ATs and that projects to over 300 miles. That's barely using conserve mode at all. Those numbers will go down in winter but hopefully not much.

As far as whether you actually need the long range, it depends where you're going, there are a good number of chargers along I-70 but they do get sparse elsewhere, still, every year the options will get better and better.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

I would save $12,000 and months of waiting and get the quad motor now. What really kills range is speed (air resistance). The beauty of Colorado road trips is a lot of smaller roads with lower speed limits. The mountains don't really hurt range that much, well they do going up, but you make up for it pretty well coming back down. Especially if you have the patience to stick to the speed limit for trips where you really need the range boost.

I've found that if I'm not on I-70 too much and I keep the speed down I can average over 2.4 miles/kWh in a quad R1S on 20" ATs and that projects to over 300 miles. That's barely using conserve mode at all. Those numbers will go down in winter but hopefully not much.

As far as whether you actually need the long range, it depends where you're going, there are a good number of chargers along I-70 but they do get sparse elsewhere, still, every year the options will get better and better.

I’ve stopped using Conserve mode on I-70. Regen braking works better in all purpose mode and I think it’s a big benefit in the mountains. Conserve mode isn’t helping range enough to justify its use through the Rockies.

Conserve mode, however, is extremely useful along more flat areas like I-25. I find it brings a lot of benefit when drafting behind a semi.

 

[DTown3011]

I’ve stopped using Conserve mode on I-70. Regen braking works better in all purpose mode and I think it’s a big benefit in the mountains. Conserve mode isn’t helping range enough to justify its use through the Rockies.

Conserve mode, however, is extremely useful along more flat areas like I-25. I find it brings a lot of benefit when drafting behind a semi.

I’ve only used conserve twice and both were on trips up to Wyoming on I-70. The regen is so good coming back from the mountains that I’m almost ALWAYS getting more range than what is estimated.

 

[Epicloop]

Now though with the price differential, delays, and capability of quad, idk if it's worth it to keep holding out. Also yeah I don't tow alot or at all right now.

There is also the reduced warranty on the DM. You will likely be holding out for an indefinite period of time. The DM max with 20" may only be a 20-50 mile boost to range depending on use of towing/conserve-all purpose modes & pack size/density.
They claim improved energy density on the max pack
Since they are currently yielding 39 mikes per module, by my estimates the max may only have 1 more 15kwh module which combined with a more energy dense pack could achieve 400 miles.

For a 10 module, 150kwh pack using real world range #'s seen on this forum the gains would be as follows:
-Towing 1-1.4m/kw = 15-21 miles extra range
-Standard use 2-2.7m/kw= 30-41 miles extra range
*the additional 5-10 miles could be achieved with the claimed increased energy dense pack
I usually get 2.2-2.4 m/kw though the mountains, the speed limit is your friend.

 

[zefram47]

I find it brings a lot of benefit when drafting behind a semi.

Concur...I used it while drafting at max follow range with highway assist when I was going to Moab. Allowed me to skip Green River and arrived in town with 56% from Grand Junction (left at 90%).

GJ RAN to Moab
106.9 mi
67 mph avg
1:35h
2.28 mi/kWh
47.1 kWh

 

[Aardvark]

First R1S ascent of Ophir Pass?

What is the rig you're using for the full size spare?
Also, a basic question from one who has never been off-road: are these mountain trails one-way? Or do they have occasional pull-offs in case you meet head to head with someone?

 

[zefram47]

Also, a basic question from one who has never been off-road: are these mountain trails one-way? Or do they have occasional pull-offs in case you meet head to head with someone?

Very few trails are one-way. Black Bear Pass from the Steps to the old power house above Bridal Veil Falls is one, and the only other one I can think of right now is on Red Cone headed down the steep section from the top to the turnoff for Webster Pass. Those are places where it would be impossible and very dangerous to back up and no room to allow anyone to pass.

The majority of trails that are narrow will have a few wider spots to allow passing. The general rule is that uphill has right of way, but it really is a guideline. Always try to be aware of oncoming traffic and where the last wide spot was that you saw. Regardless whether I'm going uphill or not, if I see an oncoming vehicle and I have a wide spot coming up, I'll pull off and wait for them. If you get to a shelf road and/or switchbacks where you can see a ways up the trail, you can often see vehicles coming for awhile and wait them out in a good spot. For groups of vehicles, it's usually easier for one or two to pull off to let a group by than to make a big group back up, etc. Really, just use common sense and all parties just be civil. Rarely have I come across someone that just wants to be a hard ass out there.

 

[BrentInCO]

What is the rig you're using for the full size spare?
Also, a basic question from one who has never been off-road: are these mountain trails one-way? Or do they have occasional pull-offs in case you meet head to head with someone?

You can read about a lot of details in this string https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/r1s-spare-tire-hitch-mount-options.17836/post-376772

Some sections of this road are tight and it is stressful / dangerous when you come across another vehicle going the other way.

 

[MReda]

Very few trails are one-way. Black Bear Pass from the Steps to the old power house above Bridal Veil Falls is one, and the only other one I can think of right now is on Red Cone headed down the steep section from the top to the turnoff for Webster Pass. Those are places where it would be impossible and very dangerous to back up and no room to allow anyone to pass.

The majority of trails that are narrow will have a few wider spots to allow passing. The general rule is that uphill has right of way, but it really is a guideline. Always try to be aware of oncoming traffic and where the last wide spot was that you saw. Regardless whether I'm going uphill or not, if I see an oncoming vehicle and I have a wide spot coming up, I'll pull off and wait for them. If you get to a shelf road and/or switchbacks where you can see a ways up the trail, you can often see vehicles coming for awhile and wait them out in a good spot. For groups of vehicles, it's usually easier for one or two to pull off to let a group by than to make a big group back up, etc. Really, just use common sense and all parties just be civil. Rarely have I come across someone that just wants to be a hard ass out there.

One thing to clarify - uphill traffic having the right of way is the law, not just a guideline.

But I agree with everything you said about best practices. If everyone is respectful and safe, we will all have a better experience.

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