Camera controls option needed in a software update

[Rickmc]

What about people who back into their garage? Or park in an office or condo garage? Or are trying to pull into a parking space away from their garage door, or who just need to see the ground in front of them while going over a tricky patch off pavement?

Your ask is for a very specific feature for a very specific use case, when you already have an easy-to-use method of switching to/from the camera view WHENEVER YOU WANT and which works for EVERY use case.

And that's all I'm saying - not that your desire is wrong, just that you can already do this so why do we need a new feature?

I DO NOT want ~100 buttons on my dash like my Ford, and I DO NOT want buttons overloaded in a dozen different ways each. Rivian should spend the effort improving their integration with the voice assistant IMO rather than trying to automate edge cases.

i asnwered that already. No need to find what if scenarios. too easy to make it bullet proof.

When you back into garage, reverse camera takes precedence. Scenario does not exist. Nothing need done.

Pulling into parking space away from garage door has no relevance at all. No one needs music screen or nav screen for the seconds it take sto get out of the car wherever you parked. When you get back in to the car a min or a month later, car reverts back to last screen, nav, music, whatever.

Rivian should just implement it and put it a toggle button in the settings for people who have issues

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[SANZC02]

Just a note, if you say Alexa show camera, it will bring up the cameras. Have not found a way back to the map using Alexa but you can show cameras.

 

[R1Tom]

What about people who back into their garage? Or park in an office or condo garage? Or are trying to pull into a parking space away from their garage door, or who just need to see the ground in front of them while going over a tricky patch off pavement?

Your ask is for a very specific feature for a very specific use case, when you already have an easy-to-use method of switching to/from the camera view WHENEVER YOU WANT and which works for EVERY use case.

And that's all I'm saying - not that your desire is wrong, just that you can already do this so why do we need a new feature?

I DO NOT want ~100 buttons on my dash like my Ford, and I DO NOT want buttons overloaded in a dozen different ways each. Rivian should spend the effort improving their integration with the voice assistant IMO rather than trying to automate edge cases.

It's not an edge case. I understand Tesla has been doing it for years....and it seems 95% of Rivian buyers came from Tesla from what I see on here (not me...never owned one), so it can't be too tough.

 

[VSG]

Just because Rivian does something differently than Tesla doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Just because Rivian does something differently than Tesla doesn't mean it's wrong.

See the Cybertruck vs the R1T for a perfect illustration of this.

 

[R1Tom]

Just because Rivian does something differently than Tesla doesn't mean it's wrong.

Let's not forget....we are talking about a user toggle, which you can turn off and continue to do the finger dance should you choose....to trigger already existing camera behavior. Simple trigger...with a toggle. Not asking for a Cybertruck with 4 wheel steering be added here.....

 

[SoCal Rob]

I don’t think I would enable an option to switch to the front (and surround) camera view based only on low speed because I can see this getting annoying in stop-and-go traffic, waiting in drive-through lines, etc. On the other hand, relying on the speed and parking sensors as trigger wouldn’t necessarily do exactly what I want: show front camera view only when I’m pulling into a parking space or garage space. Parking spaces may have surrounding vehicles which trigger parking sensors or there could be empty spaces all around where I am parking in which case the camera wouldn’t get triggered when I want it to.

I’m not sure there’s an unobtrusive (not on when you don’t want it) and reliable (always on when you do want it) way of controlling this via automation but maybe someone else has a way to do this using existing sensor data available to the car’s computer and appropriate logic. Until then, I tap the camera app in my dock when I need it and switch out when I don’t.

 

[VSG]

continue to do the finger dance should you choose

Seems you entirely missed my point. If you're doing a "finger dance" that's entirely your choice at this point.

 

[R1Tom]

Seems you entirely missed my point. If you're doing a "finger dance" that's entirely your choice at this point.

Oh yes....you are correct. I went back and saw you said people can use Alexa and don't need it to be automated. I suppose same could be said for turning on/off headlights, changing interior from day to night and back, putting seats into and out of easy entry/exit, putting suspension into and out of lowered easy entry height, recognizing vehicle is "home" to change state of gear guard, recognizing vehicle is "home" to launch garage door opener menu, recognizing vehicle is "home" to change state of PAAK locking, and probably more I am forgetting.

 

[Rickmc]

Let's not forget....we are talking about a user toggle, which you can turn off and continue to do the finger dance should you choose....to trigger already existing camera behavior. Simple trigger...with a toggle. Not asking for a Cybertruck with 4 wheel steering be added here.....

I think VSG is just here to be a contrarian.

Oh yes....you are correct. I went back and saw you said people can use Alexa and don't need it to be automated. I suppose same could be said for turning on/off headlights, changing interior from day to night and back, putting seats into and out of easy entry/exit, putting suspension into and out of lowered easy entry height, recognizing vehicle is "home" to change state of gear guard, recognizing vehicle is "home" to launch garage door opener menu, recognizing vehicle is "home" to change state of PAAK locking, and probably more I am forgetting.

You are my hero. VSG exists only to be a contrarian and not see any merit in anything, just wants to be a troll. You forgot putting camera in rear view mode when you shift to Reverse, he would have Alexa do that or just roll the window down and stick his head out to look.

 

[VSG]

Oh yes....you are correct. I went back and saw you said people can use Alexa and don't need it to be automated. I suppose same could be said for turning on/off headlights, changing interior from day to night and back, putting seats into and out of easy entry/exit, putting suspension into and out of lowered easy entry height, recognizing vehicle is "home" to change state of gear guard, recognizing vehicle is "home" to launch garage door opener menu, recognizing vehicle is "home" to change state of PAAK locking, and probably more I am forgetting.

First, I never said anything against automation and I never suggested Alexa as a solution to all your problems or as a substitute for all functions of your vehicle.

But in this one case that the OP is complaining about (this thread is still about the OP, not your wants BTW), turning on the camera with Alexa is a trivial solution to the problem. The OP has spent two years driving a Rivian and is now complaining about actions that DO NOT HAVE TO BE DONE, while suggesting an alternative.

Were you even aware you could show the camera using a voice command? Or (again) do you think that Rivian should do everything just like Tesla otherwise Rivian sucks? That does seem to be a common theme here ...

This is a non-issue that doesn't need a complex solution - if you want to see the camera, just ask. Instead, you want to make it into a federal case.

Making *everything* configurable is a recipe for an unusable and unworkable car. Some people want hundreds of buttons. Some people want self-aware cars that will do everything for them. Rivian is never going to be either of those extremes. I personally understand and appreciate what Rivian is trying to do to because it fits with my thought process as a physcist that "everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler".

 

[VSG]

You forgot putting camera in rear view mode when you shift to Reverse, he would have Alexa do that or just roll the window down and stick his head out to look.

Let me ask you the same question - were YOU even aware you could show the camera using a voice command?

I have never said that Alexa can or should be doing everything, and have many times said that Rivian's integration with Alexa is lacking. But there are some very specific and useful things that Alexa can do, and this is one of them. This rejection of the simple and effective way to operate the cameras ridiculous, because it shows you exactly what you want when you want it, no software guessing for you.

BTW, the backup camera is a federally-mandated safety feature. And if you're NOT using your eyeballs to look where you're going, and expecting the vehicle to do that for you, then the problem is YOU not the capability of the vehicle.

 

[R1Tom]

First, I never said anything against automation and I never suggested Alexa as a solution to all your problems or as a substitute for all functions of your vehicle.

But in this one case that the OP is complaining about (this thread is still about the OP, not your wants BTW), turning on the camera with Alexa is a trivial solution to the problem. The OP has spent two years driving a Rivian and is now complaining about actions that DO NOT HAVE TO BE DONE, while suggesting an alternative.

Were you even aware you could show the camera using a voice command? Or (again) do you think that Rivian should do everything just like Tesla otherwise Rivian sucks? That does seem to be a common theme here ...

This is a non-issue that doesn't need a complex solution - if you want to see the camera, just ask. Instead, you want to make it into a federal case.

Making *everything* configurable is a recipe for an unusable and unworkable car. Some people want hundreds of buttons. Some people want self-aware cars that will do everything for them. Rivian is never going to be either of those extremes. I personally understand and appreciate what Rivian is trying to do to because it fits with my thought process as a physcist that "everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler".

I reread the OP initial post and can't come to the conclusion you are that they are "complaining"....maybe you should reread and see if you really see that post as "complaining". Looks like an idea OP has and nothing more to me. Way too much of that escalating and inflammatory language on here...seems many...including you...feel ideas and requests that suggest something different than status quo is complaining, whining, blah blah....just inflammatory language to incite escalation and response. I'll play along gladly.

I was aware Alexa can trigger cameras. My point is it can do many things that are also automated so although trivial to you....many would like it automated.

My point with Tesla is you or possibly someone else stated this idea of automatically triggering the front facing camers...as an "edge case"....only reason I brought it up...is clearly Tesla didn't feel it is was an edge case and automated it. I am no Tesla fanatic like many on here...

You make it sound like a complex solution is needed. As a physicist I would think you would recognize that a single added toggle in the settings....and a trigger that either looks at speed...proximity sensor activity...or a combo of both....is NOT (since you like all caps I will give it a try..
another example of esclatory behavior) a COMPLEX solution.

I too like simple...but not the way you do. I like simple from the user perspective. You seem to like it from the machine perspective....which makes it very odd you chose a Rivian. Lots of other vehicles alot simpler....basically everything on market except maybe Tesla. I have several of those simple vehicles..never a Tesla...and for that exact reason....mechanically simple....and immensely capable at what they do. But what makes the Rivian so magical is the extremes it can accomplish. From lowered street performance to lifted off road overlander. From soft suspension to stiff. From almost no roll control to strong roll control. Lots of complex automation to make that all happen...and executed very well. And pretty simple to the user. No manual sway bar adjuster....no manual shock valving adjustment needed..no manual locking hubs....etc...

I too very much appreciate what Rivian is doing....I suspect this forward facing camera trigger simply hasn't happened yet due to other priorities...not to keep it simple as possible. If that is your goal...I do feel this is wrong vehicle for you. These are very complex machines...and adding a trigger to bring on the front facing cameras....would not even register on a complexity meter...compared with rest of this vehicle and the automation already implemented.

Only thing I am making a federal case is your response to OP. OP had an idea....and you want to escalate why you think it isn't needed.

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