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Well, being it's my first post here - let me begin with stating that this is by far and away my own error. With that said, there's a few worthy lessons and data points to share here so I figured I better post while certainly take some heat on. :)

April.15.2023
- Departed Whistler,BC with 100% charge on my 2023 R1T w/20" A/T and an empty 2018 6x12 Continental Tailwind trailer hooked up. Towing mode on.
- Total weight of R1T + Trailer [I drove it onto a scale] = 9,500lbs / 4313kg
- Destination Vancouver, BC = 130km's / 80 Miles [weather was above freezing and grew milder to 12degrees C in vancouver]
- Reading ~480km range estimated w/ Tow Mode [knew this would change once in motion]
- Arrive Vancouver with 260km estimated range [towing trailer impacted range by ~2X]
- Pickup a new Fridge [+265lbs] + Girlfriend + Dog + Items [200lbs] = 465lbs
- Drive back to Whistler; navigation says nope you will need a charge.
- Stop in Squamish, BC and plug into a 50kw mini fast charger for about 30mins and decide to leave with approximately 110km estimated in Tow Mode
- We had to sit parked for 40mins waiting to get on charger because an inconsiderate person stayed on it for 125minutes and left their car.
- Distance remaining to my house in Whistler = 60km s and we had 110KM Estimated Range in Tow Mode showing on the dash.

Believing I had now set myself up with a bit of battery buffer, we depart. The road from squamish to whistler is full of up hills and is a mountainous pass on a beautiful perfectly smooth highway. It did start to rain decently hard and my driving style was very grandma the whole way knowing I was aiming to conserve battery. Temps above freezing. We had normal A/C and heated seats w/music going to start...

Then it got interesting as we were climbing hills roughly halfway there the battery started dropping very quick and with roughly 40kms destination range on the journey the "you need to plug in because you will not make it" message displayed. Now the anxiety really sets in because there is no turning back and the nearest plug is beyond estimated range. A/C goes off and music heightening anxiety. We make it another short distance and I say f*ck it to the trailer - dropped it on the side of the road in record speed and aim for the nearest charger which is still beyond estimated distance.

With ~10kms distance to Whistler (google maps via phone) the "you must pull over battery is done sign" clicks on and speed is reduced [= about 60km/h] so we continue on and the battery gets to 0% and we hold our breath and keep pressing. We make it into Whistler Village Creekside and there is a very mild incline that the truck literally goes down to maybe 5km/h speed and we inch our way up this thing to enter a parkade which is supposed to have 3 chargers available. Someone was watching out for us because this truck pulled into the middle stall doing 1km/h snail crawl and it was open with two vehicles charging either side. The truck was basically shutting itself down as I plugged it in with the tightest butthole in town.

- So, we have well establish that beyond 2X distance reduction is expected especially with hills involved while towing a medium weight trailer.
- You can expect to see roughly 10kms of distance beyond 0% in an "emergency" scenario.
- I'm an idiot and should have stayed plugged into the squamish charger for an extra 15mins (so much for my etiquette and courteous course of action)
- I should/could have dropped the trailer sooner on the side of the road and perhaps made it to that charger.
- Once plugged in, it took 35-40minutes for the first 1KM of charge to transfer/register on the App (yikes)

Alas, we plugged her in for few hours on the 6.6kw charger... walked the dog, ate some good food. Then drove 10mins to a different 50kw fast charger and plugged in another 2 hours (ate more good food) then finally drove back down the highway 30mins and got the trailer and arrived home safely way later than expected with a few new grey hairs.

Hope you enjoyed this miss-hap that one can only blame themselves for - cheers.

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Hahaha thanks for sharing! I put myself in a similar situation last summer (not towing) trying to minimize the number of charging stops. Some unanticipated long inclines dropped my range and I had to detour and use a slow level 2 charger to continue on. The important thing is you made it back safely and will always charge a little extra next time. I know I always do!
 

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Thank you for this real life story. Just reading it made me pucker. We are about to take off and take delivery of our R1T at the factory. The R1T will be pulling a 7,000# Airstream travel trailer back to Florida. I will be most cautious in carefully watching my range figures and take full advantage of every available charging opportunity.

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lol "tightest butthole in town". Just reading this gave me anxiety hahaha
 

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Is it possible your dog weighs more than you thought? ?
 
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Thank you for this real life story. Just reading it made me pucker. We are about to take off and take delivery of our R1T at the factory. The R1T will be pulling a 7,000# Airstream travel trailer back to Florida. I will be most cautious in carefully watching my range figures and take full advantage of every available charging opportunity.

Brian
Wow that's an epic journey; biggest variance is hills ... the way from whistler to squamish is much more downhill so the range drop I observed did not hold nearly true on the return trip where you are climbing. I imagined this was going to be the case but not at the alarmingly fast rate that I observed.

One other note - for the first part of the return trip from squamish to whistler while I drove "grandma" that = 110km/hour average just with smooth acceleration. If you keep your top speed well lower I am thinking the efficiency would be way higher at say ... 50mp/h vs. 60mp/h ... the "drag" is really delivered to the batteries once you pick up the pace.

Enjoy the cruise! This truck makes towing feel like you have a bag of feathers behind you for the short distances it enables - ha ha.
 

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Well, being it's my first post here - let me begin with stating that this is by far and away my own error. With that said, there's a few worthy lessons and data points to share here so I figured I better post while certainly take some heat on. :)

April.15.2023
- Departed Whistler,BC with 100% charge on my 2023 R1T w/20" A/T and an empty 2018 6x12 Continental Tailwind trailer hooked up. Towing mode on.
- Total weight of R1T + Trailer [I drove it onto a scale] = 9,500lbs / 4313kg
- Destination Vancouver, BC = 130km's / 80 Miles [weather was above freezing and grew milder to 12degrees C in vancouver]
- Reading ~480km range estimated w/ Tow Mode [knew this would change once in motion]
- Arrive Vancouver with 260km estimated range [towing trailer impacted range by ~2X]
- Pickup a new Fridge [+265lbs] + Girlfriend + Dog + Items [200lbs] = 465lbs
- Drive back to Whistler; navigation says nope you will need a charge.
- Stop in Squamish, BC and plug into a 50kw mini fast charger for about 30mins and decide to leave with approximately 110km estimated in Tow Mode
- We had to sit parked for 40mins waiting to get on charger because an inconsiderate person stayed on it for 125minutes and left their car.
- Distance remaining to my house in Whistler = 60km s and we had 110KM Estimated Range in Tow Mode showing on the dash.

Believing I had now set myself up with a bit of battery buffer, we depart. The road from squamish to whistler is full of up hills and is a mountainous pass on a beautiful perfectly smooth highway. It did start to rain decently hard and my driving style was very grandma the whole way knowing I was aiming to conserve battery. Temps above freezing. We had normal A/C and heated seats w/music going to start...

Then it got interesting as we were climbing hills roughly halfway there the battery started dropping very quick and with roughly 40kms destination range on the journey the "you need to plug in because you will not make it" message displayed. Now the anxiety really sets in because there is no turning back and the nearest plug is beyond estimated range. A/C goes off and music heightening anxiety. We make it another short distance and I say f*ck it to the trailer - dropped it on the side of the road in record speed and aim for the nearest charger which is still beyond estimated distance.

With ~10kms distance to Whistler (google maps via phone) the "you must pull over battery is done sign" clicks on and speed is reduced [= about 60km/h] so we continue on and the battery gets to 0% and we hold our breath and keep pressing. We make it into Whistler Village Creekside and there is a very mild incline that the truck literally goes down to maybe 5km/h speed and we inch our way up this thing to enter a parkade which is supposed to have 3 chargers available. Someone was watching out for us because this truck pulled into the middle stall doing 1km/h snail crawl and it was open with two vehicles charging either side. The truck was basically shutting itself down as I plugged it in with the tightest butthole in town.

- So, we have well establish that beyond 2X distance reduction is expected especially with hills involved while towing a medium weight trailer.
- You can expect to see roughly 10kms of distance beyond 0% in an "emergency" scenario.
- I'm an idiot and should have stayed plugged into the squamish charger for an extra 15mins (so much for my etiquette and courteous course of action)
- I should/could have dropped the trailer sooner on the side of the road and perhaps made it to that charger.
- Once plugged in, it took 35-40minutes for the first 1KM of charge to transfer/register on the App (yikes)

Alas, we plugged her in for few hours on the 6.6kw charger... walked the dog, ate some good food. Then drove 10mins to a different 50kw fast charger and plugged in another 2 hours (ate more good food) then finally drove back down the highway 30mins and got the trailer and arrived home safely way later than expected with a few new grey hairs.

Hope you enjoyed this miss-hap that one can only blame themselves for - cheers.

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Love the story!

You should have stopped at the Electrify Canada Chargers (need the Electrify Canada app on your phone) in front of the London Drugs in Squamish. They don't currently show up on the Rivian's apps or Nav, so keep that in mind, but are in great locations along main travel corridors. They also charge around 140ish kW, which are currently the fastest I've come across due to the Rivians high amperage requests. Petro Canada seems to peak around 92-100kW, also not shown on the Rivian Nav.
 

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Thanks for your honesty, you've probably just helped someone avoid a similar situation.

My take is that EV's are still no match for ICE on towing and that's before you add in the other big range killers of incline and weather. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, I just think when towing (or going into the wilderness) you really need to plan extra carefully. I suspect over time more chargers emerge along more remote locations/routes so things should get a little less stressful.

Well done for not getting totally stranded.
 

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Love the story!

You should have stopped at the Electrify Canada Chargers (need the Electrify Canada app on your phone) in front of the London Drugs in Squamish. They don't currently show up on the Rivian's apps or Nav, so keep that in mind, but are in great locations along main travel corridors. They also charge around 140ish kW, which are currently the fastest I've come across due to the Rivians high amperage requests. Petro Canada seems to peak around 92-100kW, also not shown on the Rivian Nav.
This! I've brought up with CS multiple times the fact that some Canada specific charging locations are just simply not appearing at all in the Rivian nav.

Definitely make use of PlugShare!
 

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Towing is not a highlight of EVs at all, if you're going to do any distance.

The biggest issue is the public fast charging is in very sad shape. Even when you find one, sometimes it's occupied with some butthole who doesn't move his car when he should. 50kW charges are almost useless for fast charging too, unless you want to wait two hours. Many times the chargers just crap out, are busted or don't deliver the stated charge rate.

Towing just adds to the misery of having to repeat the song and dance every 90 minutes and many times needing to disconnect.
 

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Good story bro! Love the Sea to Sky, Vancouver, Whistler, Squamish.

I’ll be doing the same diamond making tow test soon by dragging the boat 80 miles up from Denver over the Continental Divide, roughly 6K’ elevation gain. Expect to hit the backside and coast into the charger on fumes, so to speak.
 

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Good story. It's still hard to navigate some of these hilly situations but hopefully the nav and energy usage metrics will get better over time for towing.
 

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Awesome story! I feel the pucker.

You should make that screenshot of 0% your avatar.
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