2027 R2 Performance vs. 2026 Model Y Performance - highway efficiency test (Out of Spec comparison)

[Jeremy3292]

To each his own. 21s look too good to pass up for my 95% street driving. I found the 20s too bouncy around town during my drive.

That's the tires not the rims. I like smaller rims in general though.

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[SANZC02]

I really like this car, but these are potential deal-breakers for me:

1. The reliability of a very early-production vehicle, on top of Rivian’s poor reliability record in general

2. Worse real-world efficiency

3. A/C performance combined with the glass roof’s poor heat protection

4. Questionable seat design and comfort

5. A potentially problematic navigation system and no CarPlay

6. A potentially significant drop in resale value due to obsolete hardware when Gen 3 replaces it

7. The likely need to sell it before the warranty expires because repairs could be extremely expensive

8. The high price for a car that does not offer great range, especially when I could get a Subaru EV for much less with dealer and California discounts, almost at a used-car price

With a list like that seems like you should walk away. Pretty sure you will not be happy with your purchase, especially with your number 8 thinking it is already a high priced vehicle.

Save your self some stress and get something else. I would never purchase a vehicle that I had to talk myself into.

For the record, my R1S in 3.5 years has been reliable. Our R2 I can already tell will be more efficient than the R1S and I have no problem with the R1S efficiency. I just do not buy larger vehicles thinking they will be miserly in fuel cost. I also have no problems with your 3, 4, and 5.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

With a list like that seems like you should walk away. Pretty sure you will not be happy with your purchase, especially with your number 8 thinking it is already a high priced vehicle.

Save your self some stress and get something else. I would never purchase a vehicle that I had to talk myself into.

For the record, my R1S in 3.5 years has been reliable. Our R2 I can already tell will be more efficient than the R1S and I have no problem with the R1S efficiency. I just do not buy larger vehicles thinking they will be miserly in fuel cost. I also have no problems with your 3, 4, and 5.

Yeah, with a list like that, why bother? Move on and be happy.

 

[VegasWeezy]

What's the actual difference in cost if you're home charging though? I guess it depends on what your home electricity rates are, but it might only be a $200 per year difference compared to a Model Y. Let's say you're power rates are super high, then maybe $400 per year extra? (Assuming 20,000 miles per year)

I'm not an EV owner yet so i'm just trying to understand the math here. Not taking a position on the efficiency yet. Assuming I did the math right, the form factor and other details for R2 far outweigh the modest extra charging costs.

Truly depends on where you live and how much you drive. For me, the difference is negligible. I drive less than 10,000 miles per year and our energy rates are just under $0.13 per kWh. But let’s say I drove 12,000 and the R2 got 3.0 mi/kWh. That would be 4,000 kWh for the year at $0.13 = $520 charge cost. A 25% more efficient Model Y would save $130.

I will gladly pay an extra $130 per year not to drive the ass ugly Model Y and its bare bones cheap looking interior.

 

[thrillseeker1234]

In my real world use, I haven’t noticed any difference in road tripping in our Model Y RWD (the most efficient) and Cyberbeast (least efficient. In both we stop every couple hours, and that’s when we charge. Is that time spent at the charging stop different? Probably, but by the time we use the restroom, get a snack/drink and walk around and sit down for a few minutes, we are ready to go on for a couple hours.

I think road tripping more back when superchargers weren’t everywhere retrained how we approach traveling. The difference will only matter in Y vs R2 if you are in a hurry (I’m not, I don’t even speed) and have a bladder that lasts 12 hours (I don’t, never have).

agree that probably over 95% of population doesn't have a 12 hour bladder. I know I don't and even before EV was a thing, most ICE cars stops at Barstow for gas/coffee/pee/poop/snack break between LA and Vegas. Did I need to get gas? not really, it depends how full i started the drive with. But I absolutely needed to stop to pee, stretch and walk around.

 

[thrillseeker1234]

These tests coming out recently are making my wife and I reconsider the R2 after being excited to order.

We test drove it we love it but we also do 220 mile road trips once a month to see family going at least 80. If this can't even do that in one shot it might be a deal breaker. I was now being asked to find an alternative that's not a Tesla.

I just don't get why they didn't put an extra 20kwh of battery in this vehicle like bmw did with the IX3 or IX5.

I feel like you are left with the new BMW iX3 and/or Mercedes GLC EV now. I like them both, and have considered both to be honest but the sticker price is out of my budget. But not able to afford the higher sticker price is my issue, not the manufacturer issue.

 

[blipit]

One of the more interesting part of videos was after they completed running the 50, 60, 70, and 80 mph tests. The R2 was down to 38% soc, while the MY Perf was at 45% soc. The MY started at 1% higher soc, but even with the larger pack the R2 ended up with much lower soc.

 

[Apprunner]

One of the more interesting part of videos was after they completed running the 50, 60, 70, and 80 mph tests. The R2 was down to 38% soc, while the MY Perf was at 45% soc. The MY started at 1% higher soc, but even with the larger pack the R2 ended up with much lower soc.

Not surprising at all. Model Y is more efficient in every situation than the R2 and although it has a slightly bigger battery, it’s about 20-25% less efficient.

 

[blipit]

R2 at 70mph achieved 3.09 mpk.

R2 should get 272miles at constant 70mph 100% to 0% run.

Model Y Perf got 3.80 mpk. It should end up getting 311miles at 70mph.

 

[blipit]

Not surprising at all. Model Y is more efficient in every situation than the R2 and although it has a slightly bigger battery, it’s about 20-25% less efficient.

I think the point of video was to show the fallacy of the EPA ratings and what RJ stated himself in past about R2 efficiency...it being at or above Model Y Perf. Even city driving simulation it wasn't close.

EPA needs one standardized EV range test.

 

[thrillseeker1234]

One of the more interesting part of videos was after they completed running the 50, 60, 70, and 80 mph tests. The R2 was down to 38% soc, while the MY Perf was at 45% soc. The MY started at 1% higher soc, but even with the larger pack the R2 ended up with much lower soc.

You just can't really defy the physics unfortunately...the frontal facia plus the high ground clearance just isn't gonna help with the efficiency when traveling at 70-80mph..

If you really want to improve the efficiency of the R2, one may have to start looking into lowering the car and swap in a more aero dynamic focused aftermarket tires and wheels or slap on wheel covers to make the side more flush. But that's another topic of its own.

 

[DuoRivians]

I think the point of video was to show the fallacy of the EPA ratings and what RJ stated himself in past about R2 efficiency...it being at or above Model Y Perf. Even city driving simulation it wasn't close.

EPA needs one standardized EV range test.

And then, people here also insisted the R2 was just as efficient as the MY. I’m glad to see Kyle’s content to put some actual numbers on all of this.

 

[tivoboy]

You just can't really defy the physics unfortunately...the frontal facia plus the high ground clearance just isn't gonna help with the efficiency when traveling at 70-80mph..

If you really want to improve the efficiency of the R2, one may have to start looking into lowering the car and swap in a more aero dynamic focused aftermarket tires and wheels or slap on wheel covers to make the side more flush. But that's another topic of its own.

An aero wheel cover might very well improve efficiency quite a bit.. those wheels have so many nooks and crannies and gaps, the cavitation of air coming off them at speed must look like the first spring release of the Colorado! (Well, at least 25 years ago)

 

[SolidTHX1138]

I really like this car, but these are potential deal-breakers for me:

1. The reliability of a very early-production vehicle, on top of Rivian’s poor reliability record in general

2. Worse real-world efficiency

3. A/C performance combined with the glass roof’s poor heat protection

4. Questionable seat design and comfort

5. A potentially problematic navigation system and no CarPlay

6. A potentially significant drop in resale value due to obsolete hardware when Gen 3 replaces it

7. The likely need to sell it before the warranty expires because repairs could be extremely expensive

8. The high price for a car that does not offer great range, especially when I could get a Subaru EV for much less with dealer and California discounts, almost at a used-car price

As a person who has never owned an EV, the R2 will be my first. I'm viewing this purchase as being an early adopter. There are always some risks being an EA and that is a factor in making a purchase. That said, there is no such thing as a perfect vehicle, ICE or EV.

If you do find a vehicle that checks off the 8 concerns, please let me know. Also, what is available today that is better than the R2?

 

[thrillseeker1234]

As a person who has never owned an EV, the R2 be my first. I'm viewing this purchase as being an early adopter. There are always some risks being an EA and that is a factor in making a purchase. That said, there is no such thing as a perfect vehicle, ICE or EV.

If you do find a vehicle that checks off the 8 concerns, please let me know. Also, what is available today that is better than the R2?

Everyone has a difference definition of "better". But i'd say Tesla Model Y is definitely a more mature product as it's been out for 7 years now and has gone through tons of little changes here and there. BUT...you will be driving the same car just like the car next to you at every other traffic stop. It's an EV Toyota at this point...

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