Compared to the R2, what makes the Scout a compelling alternative?

[Mos Eisley]

Scout being successful will greatly benefit Rivian given the tech relationship with Scout's parent co.

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[VandalSibs]

The half baked EREV concept apparently was thrown in last minute and that pivot is why I have concerns that they may not see the light of day (they'll be fine though honestly, I think the doom and gloom is overblown).

From what I've been seeing reported, this is the big hold-up. Since they don't want to give up frunk space for the generator & fuel tank or outright re-design the body and frame differently from the BEV, its supposedly positioned in front of the rear axle. The two big issues this is causing is 1) the running generator is heating up the cargo area on the SUV a lot - the floor was hitting 200*C at one point, and 2) the four-cylinder they've chosen to use doesn't have enough power when towing at the same spec as the BEV. They are trying to solve both of these problems, but it's causing the delays.

 

[hokieskier]

Buttons.

 

[NinjaWrap]

Where we go - not often - you need spare juice in some form. Folks who think they don’t get towed when someone finally comes upon them. Even in Joshua Tree.

I’ve driven over 200k EV miles and have had an EV for 12+ years. So, no range anxiety here.

Yeah, I think it's just such a rare problem that the majority don't need an EREV.

My son is an example of where BEV doesn't make sense. He can't charge where he lives off campus, and on campus only has a couple slow charging options. The Volt has been great for him. He charges when he can, but often those couple charging stations are taken by someone else. He doesn't stress over when he can charge and when he can't.

With a BEV he COULD go charge at a supercharger but for him it would be annoying to go out of his way and sit there for an hour (which is exactly what I have to do with my Cybertruck once a week right now with PCS failure)

 

[RedScare]

The original question was why would the Scout be a better alternative to the R2. To me, there is only one. The Scout is a very attractive vehicle.

Now, for the negatives:
1. It is huge. I would not buy a Scout for the same reason I won'y buy an R1S, they are much more vehicle than I need.
2. The EREV is stupid, both for the addition after the fact and the negatives it brings to the rest of the vehicle. And also for the range anxiety crowd.
3. The timeline is long and increasing.

R2 is my sweet spot. It is roughly the same size as the Porsche Macan that it will replace. While the Scout was initially intriguing, it is not on my radar at all.

 

[Mos Eisley]

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From what I've been seeing reported, this is the big hold-up. Since they don't want to give up frunk space for the generator & fuel tank or outright re-design the body and frame differently from the BEV, its supposedly positioned in front of the rear axle. The two big issues this is causing is 1) the running generator is heating up the cargo area on the SUV a lot - the floor was hitting 200*C at one point, and 2) the four-cylinder they've chosen to use doesn't have enough power when towing at the same spec as the BEV. They are trying to solve both of these problems, but it's causing the delays.

They're developing this EREV for China:

 

[portdirect]

Just to add another voice into the void: Cross shopping between a R2 and one of the Scouts seems weird to me: its really deciding between a compact(ish) SUV (R2) and a large one or full size truck (Scout).

If they ever come to market I suspect we may end up with a Scout - as *sometimes* the R1 is a bit small for us - do we need it? no. But you also don't need a king size mattress when a queen will do...

 

[E_Monkey]

Physical buttons, the EV range extended engine configuration, and the more brawny look. I love my Gen 1 R1, but if they came out at the exact same time I might have gone with the Scout.
I do worry about the software implementation which Rivians has been solid. I also worry about VW reliability and support. Rivian is all in on EV. VW can pull the plug if the numbers don’t add up. Actually surprised they didn’t go with a smaller SUV in Europe and went for a matching truck to Rivians.

 

[BCondrey]

I cancelled my reservation when they announced the EREV and the production delay.

 

[TollKeeper]

I am still tempted by the Scout. After having my S for 2.5 years, I have come to the conclusion I should have gotten the T.

However being a tactile person, I need to be hands on with it before I can make a decision. I have yet to actually see one in person.

It may all come down to the warranty for me. I bought the S because of it having the best, or tied for the best anyways, warranty on the market. But I cant say that anymore. Will have to see what they end up doing. But from Google search is telling me, they have the same warranty as Rivian, and that will be a mark in the negative for me. I like my 5/60. I dont like the 4/48.

There are still 5/60 on the Market, Kia, Hyundai, Genesis, Ram, and Mitsubishi.

 

[shamoo]

Remember the Scouts are much closer to full size vehicles than R1, so the folks who think our R1s are "huge" will be appalled by them.

Are you sure? The Traveler SUV should be approximately the same size as the R1S. In fact, most of it is because of that big spare tire thing hanging off the back. Without it, it would be much shorter than the R1S.

Google says Scout without the rear tire is 190.9". With it, it is 207.9". Rivian R1S is 200.8".

So yes, with the spare tire carrier, 7" can be significant but not in terms of driving dynamics, but more of "can I fit it in the same garage space as my R1S?".

 

[rodhx]

Are you sure? The Traveler SUV should be approximately the same size as the R1S. In fact, most of it is because of that big spare tire thing hanging off the back. Without it, it would be much shorter than the R1S.

Google says Scout without the rear tire is 190.9". With it, it is 207.9". Rivian R1S is 200.8".

So yes, with the spare tire carrier, 7" can be significant but not in terms of driving dynamics, but more of "can I fit it in the same garage space as my R1S?".

Yeah, its the spare that adds to the length but I think they are a bit wider. Definitely recall the Terra is more full size truck length and won't fit where I park the R1T.

 

[timgradywy]

Front bench seat.

 

[Steve A.]

I haven't read up on the Scout other than a couple pieces when it was announced. I'm seeing numerous posts/replies indicating that the poster would be passing on the R2 for the Scout. I'm curious for those who're up on the known details/rumors on the Scout, why would one prefer it to the R2?

Not really an apples-to-apples comparison since the Scout BEV models are in the R1S/R1T class and certainly not even close to the EREV models.

As far as the Gen 1 2023 R1S that I used to own (much happier w/ my preowned 2022 R1T now!), the following list of reasons why I put a $100 deposit down on Scout BEV...

1. Would rather have no glass roof on my than one that does not open nor be covered automatically and Scout's powered retractable canopy works for me.

2. REAL leather instead of pleather (a.k.a. vegan leather).

3. REAL buttons for climate controls and entertainment system instead of touch display.

4. REAL full-size spare that does not take up any interior space.

5. Bench seat instead of horribly designed center console.

6. Wider vehicle for more interior room.

7. An actual glove box that preferably locks.

8. 80% repairable in my driveway preferably DIY. Hopefully, a 12V battery that lasts longer than 8 months and doesn't lock me out when it fails and can be replaced as easy as an ICEV and doesn't cost $800 to replace.

9. REAL door handles that hopefully can be unlocked w/ a physical key.

10. 800V architecture for faster charging.

11. HOPEFULLY, a premium stereo system that doesn't SUCK like the Rivian post-Meridian one.

12. HOPEFULLY, Android Auto support.

13. HOPEFULLY, a *real* horn that doesn't sound like it's got a sock stuffed in it.

14. 35" tires.




That said, we shall see what Scout can REALLY deliver and when and at what price.

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