R1S 22" Tire Replacement Time - Decision Paralysis - Advice/Experience

[HaveBlue]

shoot! just realized I typed AT instead of HT. my previous post has now been corrected.

Welp, so you know, the AT is awesome too.

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[ndmiller]

I've had defenders on 6 different vehicles over the past decade all from Discount Tire and if they're at the wear bars they prorate based on milage on a new set. More of a shop thing in my mind on warranty than Michelin. I've gotten wth 5-10K of milage on both Lexus's GX460 and LX570 the heaviest vehicles I had them on. Took the prorated credit per tire on a new set each time.

Have them on my R1T after OEM burned up in less than 20K for the last 10K, rotated twice at DT. If the Defender meets your needs, it's the best tire out there. If it doesn't that answers your question.

 

[technerd]

Nokian One has a new 275/50/22 (116 load) tire. It’s perfect for what you describe. 70k mileage warranty and only $240.

https://simpletire.com/paid?brand=n...zAtcvTs6CinZFfGZMQaAuvoEALw_wcB&delivery=Del3

I second the Nokians, been very happy with them, caught a sale and got the form like $980 installed.

 

[Sempervirens]

Honestly, for the price $190++ take a look at the Nokians One HT.

I just put these on over the weekend, was at 19,700 on my 2023 Quad. Lots to like.

 

[Jabbahop]

I am looking at my options for replacing OEM Pirelli's and not really happy with any of my choices atm. What are people seeing.

My Riv is the 2023 Gen 1 Adventure 4 Motor
My current tire tread situation
Rear's 2/32 and 3/32 (Must Replace of course)
Front's 5/32 (Replaced due to nail 1 year ago) 8/32 (Replaced due to nail 3 months ago)
Current Mileage: Aprox 22,400

My needs/wants in order: Safety, Longevity, Range

Driving Habits: Mostly city driving, 4-5 trips a year from Portland, OR to Vancouver, BC Canada. Typically just me, wife, and young child. I tow a small utlility trailer a few times a year (plants, dump runs, mostly low weight)

Options I am aware of from research here, reddit, google etc. (I didn't include some that just didn't really feel like an option for my usecase)

1. Replace 2 Pirelli's - Discount quoted me $1337 - Concern I am going to be back in a year (though maybe more 22 options then)

2. Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 275/50R22 115H XL (All 4 replace) - I know there are a variety of 115 XL options this and the continental are the ones I hear most about

• Under Load Guidelines - Has been endlessly debated, I think I could make it work but is it really safe
• $317 a tire (Discount, Costco, Tirerack)
• Has a 70k guarantee (no idea on fine print for this)
• Biggest concern is them being 115 when Rivian recommends 116

3. Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 LT275/50R22 119/116S E (All 4 replace)

• E Tires
• $398 a tire
• 50k guarantee
• Biggest concern - These tires are 12 more pounds each, reports are varying on the range impact from these. Could be up to 40-50 miles a charge loss

4. Rivian Shop 20 Inch Wheel/Tire All Season Full Replace

• Have a $500 credit from a referral so brings the price down (approx $3300)
• Gives me future flexibility
• Lose the beautiful 22" wheels and profile
• Biggest concern - I hear there is range loss on the OEM 20"

5. Aftermarket wheels 20" (Atomic Wheels or something) Plus Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 275/65R20 116H XL

• Gives me tire flexibility now
• Will cost at least 4k
• Lose the beauty and profile of the Rivian 22 Wheels

Any advice, personal experience, recommendations would be great. Obviously with a 2/32 and a 3/32 tread depth I need to make a decision soon.

We mistakenly got the E series Defenders this time and the range/efficiency hit is quite noticeable. It make sense if you are towing or want extra protection but we just finished our 2800 mile trip from UT to Vermont and trip efficiency dropped from prior trips with Pirelli and Defender XL from about 2.4 to 2.0 - same speed, route, good temps and wind. Learned my lesson.

I am looking at my options for replacing OEM Pirelli's and not really happy with any of my choices atm. What are people seeing.

My Riv is the 2023 Gen 1 Adventure 4 Motor
My current tire tread situation
Rear's 2/32 and 3/32 (Must Replace of course)
Front's 5/32 (Replaced due to nail 1 year ago) 8/32 (Replaced due to nail 3 months ago)
Current Mileage: Aprox 22,400

My needs/wants in order: Safety, Longevity, Range

Driving Habits: Mostly city driving, 4-5 trips a year from Portland, OR to Vancouver, BC Canada. Typically just me, wife, and young child. I tow a small utlility trailer a few times a year (plants, dump runs, mostly low weight)

Options I am aware of from research here, reddit, google etc. (I didn't include some that just didn't really feel like an option for my usecase)

1. Replace 2 Pirelli's - Discount quoted me $1337 - Concern I am going to be back in a year (though maybe more 22 options then)

2. Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 275/50R22 115H XL (All 4 replace) - I know there are a variety of 115 XL options this and the continental are the ones I hear most about

• Under Load Guidelines - Has been endlessly debated, I think I could make it work but is it really safe
• $317 a tire (Discount, Costco, Tirerack)
• Has a 70k guarantee (no idea on fine print for this)
• Biggest concern is them being 115 when Rivian recommends 116

3. Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 LT275/50R22 119/116S E (All 4 replace)

• E Tires
• $398 a tire
• 50k guarantee
• Biggest concern - These tires are 12 more pounds each, reports are varying on the range impact from these. Could be up to 40-50 miles a charge loss

4. Rivian Shop 20 Inch Wheel/Tire All Season Full Replace

• Have a $500 credit from a referral so brings the price down (approx $3300)
• Gives me future flexibility
• Lose the beautiful 22" wheels and profile
• Biggest concern - I hear there is range loss on the OEM 20"

5. Aftermarket wheels 20" (Atomic Wheels or something) Plus Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 275/65R20 116H XL

• Gives me tire flexibility now
• Will cost at least 4k
• Lose the beauty and profile of the Rivian 22 Wheels

Any advice, personal experience, recommendations would be great. Obviously with a 2/32 and a 3/32 tread depth I need to make a decision soon.

we tried the Defender LTX MS2 E rated this time - mistake for us. We just finished out 2800 mile trip from UT to VT and efficiency dropped from about 2.4 m/kwh to 2.0 - same speed, route, weather was moderate. If you plan on towing maybe the E’s make sense but for normal driving I would stay with XL which we’ve had before and were nice.

 

[CANCERDOC]

We mistakenly got the E series Defenders this time and the range/efficiency hit is quite noticeable. It make sense if you are towing or want extra protection but we just finished our 2800 mile trip from UT to Vermont and trip efficiency dropped from prior trips with Pirelli and Defender XL from about 2.4 to 2.0 - same speed, route, good temps and wind. Learned my lesson.

we tried the Defender LTX MS2 E rated this time - mistake for us. We just finished out 2800 mile trip from UT to VT and efficiency dropped from about 2.4 m/kwh to 2.0 - same speed, route, weather was moderate. If you plan on towing maybe the E’s make sense but for normal driving I would stay with XL which we’ve had before and were nice.

brand new tires have more rolling resistance due to the deflection of the taller tread. This is why there is always a range hit with new tires n

 

[smashweights]

I dont have these but they're brought up often around here. HL rating falls between XL and E

Hankook iON HT HL275/50R22 https://share.google/gdYgXhuc5rh0UQ4Ri

 

[smashweights]

Also, the 115H Michelins are 2679lbs/tire rated so 10,716 for the vehicle. Rivian's GVWR is around 8500 (combined vehicle, occupants, cargo/payload, etc max limit). So you're still 2000lbs total or 500lbs/tire under the tires capacity.

 

[ksurfier]

Also, the 115H Michelins are 2679lbs/tire rated so 10,716 for the vehicle. Rivian's GVWR is around 8500 (combined vehicle, occupants, cargo/payload, etc max limit). So you're still 2000lbs total or 500lbs/tire under the tires capacity.

Just to clarify 115H vs 116H issue (which has a very long history of confusing everyone here), a word of caution:

The door pillar label shows the tire specs that Rivian has designated for each vehicle, this is what the tire shops will follow.

The way to look at Rivian tire load ratings is axle-by-axle, not just total vehicle weight. For an R1S, the rear axle is the limiting case. A 115 tire is rated at 2,679 lb, but if it is treated as a passenger tire on an MPV/SUV, FMVSS 571.110 requires dividing by 1.10. That gives about 2,435 lb per tire, or 4,871 lb per rear axle. If the R1S rear GAWR is around 4,960 lb, 115 is slightly short. A 116 tire is rated at 2,756 lb, derates to about 2,505 lb, or 5,011 lb per axle, so it clears with margin.

That explains why 116 keeps showing up as the preferred Rivian load index. The 21" OE Pirelli is 275/55R21 116H XL, the newer 22" EV/Rivian HL tires are commonly 116H/V, and the 22" Super Sport front is HL275/50R22 116V while the rear 305/45R22 is 118V XL. The 20" fitments also generally make the most sense at 116 or higher.

HL is helpful, but I would not say a 115 HL tire automatically equals a 116. HL means the tire is built to carry more than a comparable XL tire at the same pressure, and that benefit is reflected in the load index. If the tire still says 115, it is still a 115-load-index tire unless the OEM or applicable load/inflation table says otherwise.

The 116H/116V XL or HL is the clean Rivian target; 115H XL is borderline and use-case dependent; 113–114 should be avoided; and LT-rated tires have plenty of capacity but usually carry weight, ride, speed-rating, and efficiency penalties.

 

[mkg3]

I realize this is an old thread and the OP probably has already bought whatever choice tire.

It is my understanding that this tire is what R2 comes with but in R1's 22" size.
https://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/auto/browse-tires/by-dimension/275/50/22/116/H

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