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Standard SR has same 0-60, HP, TQ as the Standard LR. Battery size is just "TBD".
A smaller battery usually means less peak current available (at the same voltage), meaning reduced HP and torque for the same motor. So, either they are under-specifying the motor for the larger battery, or over-specifying it for the smaller battery, or the power available for each is not the same.
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A smaller battery usually means less peak current available (at the same voltage), meaning reduced HP and torque for the same motor. So, either they are under-specifying the motor for the larger battery, or over-specifying it for the smaller battery, or the power available for each is not the same.
Or it ends up being a software locked battery.

It honestly doesn't make any sense it has same hp, tq, and 0-60 as larger battery Standard. Also the fact they just changed the range spec in less than 24hrs, because embargoed 265 got leaked the day before and got some ridicule.
 
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Tesla disagrees with you and has the best autonomous driving capabilities.
It's more like I strenuously disagree with Tesla, and as far as having "the best" autonomous driving capabilities, I'll let the hundreds of crashes and dozens of fatalities caused by autopilot and FSD speak for themselves.

Now, I don't expect any autonomous system to be perfect, but I do think Elon's irresponsible marketing and labeling of the system as "autopilot" and "Full Sell Driving" are mendacious at best and criminally fraudulent at worst.

And, from a purely technical standpoint, if you trust any system that relies solely on cameras to safely navigate and pilot a vehicle, you fail to understand the full range and nature of risks, the number of potential failure modes, and the sensing vulnerabilities and limitations inherent in such a system, regardless of how recursive or robust the learning mechanisms are.

And in Tesla's case, they are hamstrung by Elon who has such an enormous ego, he would refuse to add cost-effective, outcome-proven sensor inputs to the stack, even when such enhancements would cost little, reduce errors and improve both safety and accuracy. Because that's the type of person he is.
 
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Also there seems to be a number people on R2 reservation list, even though they really just want an R3.
It boggles my mind that people would put in a reservation that is clearly only for a R2, thinking that it could magically convert to a R3.
 

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Or it ends up being a software locked battery.

It honestly doesn't make any sense it has same hp, tq, and 0-60 as larger battery Standard. Also the fact they just changed the range spec in less than 24hrs, because embargoed 265 got leaked the day before and got some ridicule.
I can’t believe it is a locked battery because if the battery capacity is around 20kWh smaller (which accounts for range reduction) that cuts over $2k from the price. Since they have reduced the price $3k they need the reduced battery cost to help maintain any profit
 
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It boggles my mind that people would put in a reservation that is clearly only for a R2, thinking that it could magically convert to a R3.
It's also likely a vanishingly small minority of reservations consisting mostly of the enthusiast community.
 

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Agree with everyone that this appears to be a compelling package that is competitive with Model Y. I suspect that by the time you can buy a Forest Green R2 Performance with white interior and Lidar, you’re going to be over $70 grand after tax and fees.

That said, this vehicle seems to fix a lot of the super dumb 3/Y failures that Tesla has refused to fix:

-Has normal stalk controls for easier and safer operation. My M3P still constantly tries to auto shift into walls and the on screen selector is always shrinking the size of my blind spot camera.

-Has a proper auto wiper sensor, which is ya know, probably good to have for a freaking autonomous car using vision sensors.

-Can fit an onboard spare! Tesla worked hard to maximize internal space but didn’t bother trying to fit a spare. Rivian FTW.

-Provides a dedicated driver display on a $60K vehicle, allowing you both see music and nav at the same time! Never thought humanity could advance to such a level.

-Has a user-focused HMI, with large touch targets and eyes-off haptic controls. Rivian is leading the industry here. Tesla’s interface is old cluttered crap, with micro-sized touch targets and information behind displayed multiple layers deep. Being better than legacy automakers is a poor bar to clear.

- Spring open / soft close frunk means you can use it without the deeply unpleasant delicate action you have to use on Teslas

- Seems to have robust V2L/V2H

Things I think Rivian failed on:

-Kept the terrible squeaking door handles that announce your car being unlocked. Fixed would have been vastly better.

-Sorry, but the phone chargers still seem terrible. The magnetic hold looks weak as hell and will probably not withstand short stops or abrupt starts.

- Same with the cup holders. Would have liked to see something better.

- A few early reactions suggest the audio system will continue to be “just ok”. Tesla has pulled back on this as well, with new Juniper models having much worse audio system than previous models.
 

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Agree with everyone that this appears to be a compelling package that is competitive with Model Y. I suspect that by the time you can buy a Forest Green R2 Performance with white interior and Lidar, you’re going to be over $70 grand after tax and fees.

That said, this vehicle seems to fix a lot of the super dumb 3/Y failures that Tesla has refused to fix:

-Has normal stalk controls for easier and safer operation. My M3P still constantly tries to auto shift into walls and the on screen selector is always shrinking the size of my blind spot camera.

-Has a proper auto wiper sensor, which is ya know, probably good to have for a freaking autonomous car using vision sensors.

-Can fit an onboard spare! Tesla worked hard to maximize internal space but didn’t bother trying to fit a spare. Rivian FTW.

-Provides a dedicated driver display on a $60K vehicle, allowing you both see music and nav at the same time! Never thought humanity could advance to such a level.

-Has a user-focused HMI, with large touch targets and eyes-off haptic controls. Rivian is leading the industry here. Tesla’s interface is old cluttered crap, with micro-sized touch targets and information behind displayed multiple layers deep. Being better than legacy automakers is a poor bar to clear.

- Spring open / soft close frunk means you can use it without the deeply unpleasant delicate action you have to use on Teslas

- Seems to have robust V2L/V2H

Things I think Rivian failed on:

-Kept the terrible squeaking door handles that announce your car being unlocked. Fixed would have been vastly better.

-Sorry, but the phone chargers still seem terrible. The magnetic hold looks weak as hell and will probably not withstand short stops or abrupt starts.

- Same with the cup holders. Would have liked to see something better.

- A few early reactions suggest the audio system will continue to be “just ok”. Tesla has pulled back on this as well, with new Juniper models having much worse audio system than previous models.
Good overall list. For the phone charger - being MagSafe is a great idea for both keeping the phone in place and charging. Let’s see it in reality before leaping to conclusions.
 

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It's more like I strenuously disagree with Tesla, and as far as having "the best" autonomous driving capabilities, I'll let the hundreds of crashes and dozens of fatalities caused by autopilot and FSD speak for themselves.

Now, I don't expect any autonomous system to be perfect, but I do think Elon's irresponsible marketing and labeling of the system as "autopilot" and "Full Sell Driving" are mendacious at best and criminally fraudulent at worst.

And, from a purely technical standpoint, if you trust any system that relies solely on cameras to safely navigate and pilot a vehicle, you fail to understand the full range and nature of risks, the number of potential failure modes, and the sensing vulnerabilities and limitations inherent in such a system, regardless of how recursive or robust the learning mechanisms are.

And in Tesla's case, they are hamstrung by Elon who has such an enormous ego, he would refuse to add cost-effective, outcome-proven sensor inputs to the stack, even when such enhancements would cost little, reduce errors and improve both safety and accuracy. Because that's the type of person he is.
Succinct and convincing, except IMO Lidar is not key to autonomous driving in 2026 and probably not 2030.
I do wish the Coastal Cloud interior came with an option for a black headliner.

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I like both. Nice work though!
 

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Just wanted to mention that Rivian did an Outstanding job on their website reveal for the R2. Highly interactive, Rivian assist, comparisons, photos and videos leave little to the imagination. A virtual tour that covers virtually everything. Now all I need to do is test drive. Awesome.
 

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Just wanted to mention that Rivian did an Outstanding job on their website reveal for the R2. Highly interactive, Rivian assist, comparisons, photos and videos leave little to the imagination. A virtual tour that covers virtually everything. Now all I need to do is test drive. Awesome.
They were missing an actual configurator which would clear up someone these lingering questions.
 

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I do wish the Coastal Cloud interior came with an option for a black headliner.

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Yes! This is the way, and no light colored floor mats…who puts light colored floor mats in their car! Mine get so dirty they have to be black.
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