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I know I'm preaching to the choir, but...

When I talk to an ICE driver they say "I stop for 5 mins to gas up" but what they actually do is pull in to the rest area, park, walk to the bathroom, pee, pick out a drink and/or snack, walk to the register and pay, walk back to the car, drive to the pump, get out and stand in the cold/wind/rain for 5 mins to fill up, get back in the car, and then drive off. Total time from the moment they park to the time they're driving away is easily 15-20 mins. And more if you order hot (fast) food and actually sit down and eat it.

I can usually get people who are actually interested in learning to understand that with an EV that entire 15-20 mins would be charging. But often they pivot to "but what if all the chargers are taken?!" Which becomes a whole other conversation.
Exactly. I notice no difference in stops. On the last road trip I took, we had the required charge level before we had all finished eating and were banking increased battery % while finishing. Even if it did take longer, I take road trips a couple times a year. When I had an ICE I spent 15-20 min every week if you include travel time to fuel up. I spend 0 minutes doing so now, because my car is full every day I need it.
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We drove model 3 about 1500 miles to Charlotte this summer. It took 45 minutes longer than google maps ice estimated. As long as long as chargers and optimal 5% to 60% charging is pretty damn close to most avg 20 min ice stops for gas food bathroom
 

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Because of poor EV resale values, I’ve become a used vehicle shopper. When my Equinox EV (a “place holder”) lease expires next year, my first choice will be a lightly used Audi Q8 Etron, if my R2 isn’t available and I’m not convinced it will have long term reliability. The Audi isn’t the newest technology (slower charging times, L front port, 285 miles range) but it’s a lot of car for the price, which is getting close to half of MSRP.
 

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It definitely covers it in the summer. I arrive at the office with 57-58% charge remaining. So great. If I loose 20% of the range in the winter? It will be close, but you are right, I might be able to make it. Especially considering the truck will start warm in my garage.



The problem is there is some truth in all those concerns you listed. I agree many are blown out of proportion, but it is hard to argue with people about those when there is some support for their arguments.

I tell people there is nothing better for local driving. Nothing. You can refuel at home and you never need to change the oil or spark plugs. (Actually, there is a oil change interval, just not every 7,000 miles.) But I also tell people it isn't a great road trip option. That is the truth. I can deal with it, but people like my wife cannot. She has been with me for some pretty bad charging experiences. It is hard to get her past that.

We sat for an hour at Starbucks waiting for my Mach-e to get enough charge to make it to our destination. The dogs were restless and the coffee was cold. It was OK for the first 20-30 minutes. But then it sucked. And that is just one example. It alone would have been enough for her to never want a BEV for herself. Ever. (It was a busy EA station that was throttling the charge rate. That was after I spent 10 minutes trying to get the charge to start.)
I get that. I feel awful anytime a charging fiasco happens with my wife in the car, since she is a lot less patient than I am. I'm ok with going for walks and checking out local stores while we wait. She prefers to just go. We were heading home after long weekend away and there was only one EA charger if we were to make it. Got there, all 4 were taken by people just shooting the shit with a line of other cars waiting. I felt miserable. When a spot finally opened up, a fight almost broke out over who got there first. Then we decided to go the Walmart nearby to use the bathroom. Horror movie experience there. If it was just me, whatever, I can take it and would still prefer to have an EV. For her though, I know it really bothered her but she was kind to me nonetheless. This was also with a Mach-E. This would have been even worse if the chargers weren't working, which thankfully all 4 were but also not an uncommon thing for EA.

I got my BMW shortly after so that we can keep a gas car around if she needs to go on a roadtrip on her own as she has also admitted to being nervous about route planning. We have taken the Rivian on some longer journeys and I personally don't mind it but can always see her getting agitated when we are just waiting around for the car to finish charging. Certainly not for everyone. With that said, she has taken an interest in the Lucid Gravity and with it claiming to charge 200+ miles in under 15 minutes, we will likely sell the BMW and trade in her Mach-E for it when the time comes.

All of those concerns exist still, to an extent, but in my opinion the situation is getting a lot better and quicker than the media/talking heads wants people to believe. We've owned EVs for under 2 years and in the time and the charging situation has been improved massively (Tesla access, IONNA chargers, Rivian opening up to other vehicles - to name a few).
 

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But often they pivot to "but what if all the chargers are taken?!" Which becomes a whole other conversation.
Just respond with "What if all the gas pumps are taken?"
 

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Just respond with "What if all the gas pumps are taken?"
So rare, but it does happen. And when it happens you have to wait five minutes for a pump to open up.

My last Mach-e DCFC experience was earlier this year and I had to wait over 30 minutes for one of the working EA chargers. And then it took me 45 minutes to get the charge I needed to make it home. I was so angry and frustrated I couldn't wait to get my R1T that was on order.

Don't discount the real problems that exist with BEV travel. It won't convince anyone.
 

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So rare, but it does happen. And when it happens you have to wait five minutes for a pump to open up.

My last Mach-e DCFC experience was earlier this year and I had to wait over 30 minutes for one of the working EA chargers. And then it took me 45 minutes to get the charge I needed to make it home. I was so angry and frustrated I couldn't wait to get my R1T that was on order.

Don't discount the real problems that exist with BEV travel. It won't convince anyone.
My thinking on flipping the question back on those that ask you about chargers was because in my experience, everyone that asks that question in regard to chargers forgets that gas pumps get that busy, too. Like, it just never occurs to them.

Even with the changing policies in this country, there are going to be more and more chargers getting built that work reliably, making the long waits less and less of an issue. The outright explosion of Gonna stations is a great example of that. Although I will say that your experience with EA charging is something that I've never experienced..... Because I usually give up on an EA charger before then and go to another station in the area. I might be lucky in that regard, though.
 

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Even with the changing policies in this country, there are going to be more and more chargers getting built that work reliably, making the long waits less and less of an issue. The outright explosion of Gonna stations is a great example of that. Although I will say that your experience with EA charging is something that I've never experienced..... Because I usually give up on an EA charger before then and go to another station in the area. I might be lucky in that regard, though.
Yeah, the current administration didn't end up rescinding the NEVI funds...thank goodness!
https://www.electrive.com/2025/08/1...lions-in-funding-for-charging-infrastructure/
 

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My thinking on flipping the question back on those that ask you about chargers was because in my experience, everyone that asks that question in regard to chargers forgets that gas pumps get that busy, too. Like, it just never occurs to them.
What if the gas station runs out of gasoline? Or if there's some disruption that makes gas prices go way up? Or if it's a holiday weekend and gas prices go up as a result.

Electricity has nice and predictable pricing moves. Gas far, far less so.
 

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My thinking on flipping the question back on those that ask you about chargers was because in my experience, everyone that asks that question in regard to chargers forgets that gas pumps get that busy, too. Like, it just never occurs to them.

Even with the changing policies in this country, there are going to be more and more chargers getting built that work reliably, making the long waits less and less of an issue. The outright explosion of Gonna stations is a great example of that. Although I will say that your experience with EA charging is something that I've never experienced..... Because I usually give up on an EA charger before then and go to another station in the area. I might be lucky in that regard, though.
I had no choice. I wanted to go to a Tesla SC about 20 miles away but I was too low on charge to make it. The EA site is at a mall which also has a Tesla SC station. I drove over there and saw a line of Teslas out into the parking lot. No freaking way I am going to get into that and take up two charging spaces while a line of Teslas are waiting. I returned to the EA to wait my turn. It was horrible.

What if the gas station runs out of gasoline? Or if there's some disruption that makes gas prices go way up? Or if it's a holiday weekend and gas prices go up as a result.

Electricity has nice and predictable pricing moves. Gas far, far less so.
This is a good argument in support of electric vehicles. I remember the gas shortage thst happened on the east coast a few years ago. My wife's vehicle was full. I needed to fill my diesel MB E320 and amazingly the gas stations had diesel. I drove up and filled.

In a hurricane disaster power failure gas stations are shut down. I can refuel my truck using a NG generator. It seems to me that electrical fuel is more resilient than petrol fuel.
 

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Because of poor EV resale values, I’ve become a used vehicle shopper. When my Equinox EV (a “place holder”) lease expires next year, my first choice will be a lightly used Audi Q8 Etron, if my R2 isn’t available and I’m not convinced it will have long term reliability. The Audi isn’t the newest technology (slower charging times, L front port, 285 miles range) but it’s a lot of car for the price, which is getting close to half of MSRP.
I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with the Q8. My other car is a 2021 Audi ETron Prestige. I didn’t trade it when we lease/bought the R1S Dual Performance Max. 2 different rides. And now that it is compatible with an adapter to use Tesla NACS Superchargers it is still a mainstay in my garage unless I’m going to Wyoming or Montana.
 

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Hard disagree. The max pack Rivian range and charging speed is more than enough for my road trip use. You stop every 3ish hours, charge for 20 mins (which is what it takes for everyone to pee and stretch their legs a bit anyway), and you're good for another 3ish hours. There are enough chargers wherever I go these days as well.

Charging isn't the issue it's made out to be. In just the three short years I've had an EV, things have gone from inconvenient at best to pretty good.
Rivians charging was the main reason I sold mine, too slow. If the range was better it would be more acceptable, but waiting 40 minutes to go from 10-80% to be able totravel 200 miles at highway speed is not it. I understand this isnt a big deal for some, and it isnt a huge deal for a one stop trip, but for a long journey it was unacceptable to me. Charger availability and access was never an issue and still isnt with my other evs
 

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Rivians charging was the main reason I sold mine, too slow. If the range was better it would be more acceptable, but waiting 40 minutes to go from 10-80% to be able totravel 200 miles at highway speed is not it. I understand this isnt a big deal for some, and it isnt a huge deal for a one stop trip, but for a long journey it was unacceptable to me. Charger availability and access was never an issue and still isnt with my other evs
Charging speed is way more important than range.

400V architecture for a 400mi battery is less desirable than 800V for a 300mi battery.
 

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Charging speed is way more important than range.

400V architecture for a 400mi battery is less desirable than 800V for a 300mi battery.
Yup. Never will I have a 400v car again, next car is a cayenne ev, 10-80 in 14mins, thats over 200 miles of range at 75mph.
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