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Hi all...Long story short, and then long again.

We first ordered an R1S at the end of last year, but owing to logistics and our never being in one place long enough we had to cancel the order once, and then a second time once we realized the wait time was going to be frustratingly long as they switched over to the 2026 model year. Fair enough, but the Rivian charger we ordered and installed at the end of 2024 is only useful to us with the J1772-NACS adapter they wisely provided us. I wish there was a way to retrofit a hardwired NACS plug to that charger; the adapter, while perfectly functional, is an annoyance. That's first world grievance #1. Number two is far more worsterer:

We embarked upon our first road trip, hauling a 6'x12' U-Haul trailer, from Kansas City to Cape Cod on September 18. The trip was plotted out several days beforehand using as many Rivian Adventure Network chargers as practical, taking advantage of the six free months of juice that came with ahh noo cahh. This would have been ideal however, as you seasoned Rivianites may have surmised, I quite naively overlooked the fact that the Adventure Network is still almost exclusively fitted with CCS1 connectors. I learned this during a torrential thunderstorm at the charging station in Columbia Missouri. A call to the 24/7 support boffins was about as helpful as a pair of tweezers. "Don't you have an adapter?" "Yes, I absolutely do. For the wrong connector." "Is there a Tesla supercharger nearby?" "I don't know; I hadn't planned on needing one so soon." She quite helpfully sent us to a Tesla charger halfway across town. As an aside, I had learned through trial and error that not all Tesla Superchargers are compatible with Rivians. So the Tesla charger half a mile from our house in Kansas City is useless, however there are two Supercharger stations within a 10-mile radius, which means 20 miles are burned away just getting to and from. I'm glad we have the Max pack. Back to the road trip. Columbia Missouri was a mere 135 miles into a 1,600-mile journey. Fortunately the 70-minute chargetime was put to use plotting a new route stopping exclusively at compatible Tesla chargers. The route didn't deviate much until we crossed the eastern Ohio border, and we only had to cancel one hotel reservation and book at another. We made it to The Cape the night of Monday, September 22nd, road-weary, street wise, and with a shiny new R1S with a slightly spoiled interior thanks to a beloved French bulldog who decided that a Pennsylvania hailstorm was the perfect time to gift us with projectile diarrhea. Kudos to the vegan pleather, which cleaned up reasonably well. To conclude, and thank you for bearing with me...

Much of the aggravation of this shakedown cruise would have been ameliorated by:
A) My understanding of the ins and outs and no-you-can'ts of attempting to use the Rivian Adventure Network. Its uselessness to us was one adventure too many. The Normal people should have given us fair warning of this, and I consider that to be one of their few failings.

2) A second charge adapter, one that guzzoutta a CCS1 and guzzinta a NACS plug, would have allowed us free Rivian charges for at least part of the way. I haven't gone over the receipts yet, but as you are all aware the kwh charges at Tesla joints can be from somewhat within reason to downright extortionate.

That's my tale of journey #1. If any of you have a recommendation for a decent CCS1-->NACS adapter I'd be grateful. Even if Rivian carries these things I don't want to wait for delivery if it'll take as long as it took for us to get the car.

Many great thanks again, and very glad to be amongst yinz.
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That's my tale of journey #1. If any of you have a recommendation for a decent CCS1-->NACS adapter I'd be grateful.
This one should work for ya. A2Z makes good adapters.
CCS1 Charger To NACS Vehicle | DC | Compatible with Tesla Vehicles & N – A2Z EV

A) My understanding of the ins and outs and no-you-can'ts of attempting to use the Rivian Adventure Network. Its uselessness to us was one adventure too many. The Normal people should have given us fair warning of this, and I consider that to be one of their few failings.
Rivian is in the process of adding NACS connections at RAN sites. The initial rollout is 100% CCS1 so I would assume for now that is the case as I haven't really heard much news on that front. This will be a growing pain as they are making the transition. You can view each stop in the navigation (phone app and in the vehicle) and it should indicate what plugs are at that stop. Since I don't have an NACS Rivian I can't verify, but I would assume it would indicate for you that an adapter is needed and you can filter out those stops.

Hope this helps.
 

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While green, it's also totally an understandable rant. There needs to be some clarity in the app that automatically assumes which vehicle you have before showing charging stations that are incompatible (either due to protocol or physical connector).

One simple fix: if I toggle "adapter needed" to OFF, then I should not be shown CCS-only RANs for my NACS truck.

I find this bug too simple to just brush off - it irks me and it needs to be fixed.
 

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This is the issue with EVs. I am fully aware of all of this stuff and understand it and more than happy to deal with the quibbles. For a non-EV obsessed person, how the heck can we expect them to know the ins and outs of all of this charging crap? The NACS becoming 100% adopted can't come soon enough.

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Guess I wrongly assumed Rivian was including CCS>NACS adapters for NACS equipped vehicles. I must have mistakenly picked that up in the forum.

I have a Gen1 CCS R1T. I bought the opposite adapter (NACS>CCS) from A2Z to use with Superchargers (and such) before Rivian sent me their free NACS>CCS adapter.

A2Z has been great to deal with. Definitely recommend them.

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For a non-EV obsessed person, how the heck can we expect them to know the ins and outs of all of this charging crap? The NACS becoming 100% adopted can't come soon enough.
Except that a whole lot of this confusion is BECAUSE of NACS. Especially the whole thing about how only 2/3 of the Tesla superchargers are open to other vehicles (and not all other vehicles, only vehicles from certain manufacturers). And no matter what you drive, only half the DCFC out there are available to you if you don't have an adapter.
 

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Guess I wrongly assumed Rivian was including NACS-CCS adapters for NACS equipped vehicles. I must have mistakenly picked that up in the forum.

I have a Gen1 CCS R1T. I bought the opposite adapter (CCS-NACS) to use with Superchargers (and such) before Rivian sent me their free CCS>NACS adapter.
Evidence of the confusion .... you got it backwards.
Gen 1 uses a NACS -> CCS adapter.
The new 2026 Rivians need a CCS -> NACS adapter.

Rivian gave away a free NACS -> CCS adapter to all existing customers after Tesla started to open up their superchargers, and continued doing this for new customers a while, then at some point stopped including the adapter for free.. Rivian is not giving away CCS -> NACS adapters with 2026 vehicles. You now have to buy a DCFC adapater if you want one.
 

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Evidence of the confusion .... you got it backwards.
Gen 1 uses a NACS -> CCS adapter.
The new 2026 Rivians need a CCS -> NACS adapter.

Rivian gave away a free NACS -> CCS adapter to all existing customers after Tesla started to open up their superchargers, and continued doing this for new customers a while, then at some point stopped including the adapter for free.. Rivian is not giving away CCS -> NACS adapters with 2026 vehicles. You now have to buy a DCFC adapater if you want one.
Ha! I fixed it and published before you could correct me 2:38pm vs 2:40pm ;)
 

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This one should work for ya. A2Z makes good adapters.
CCS1 Charger To NACS Vehicle | DC | Compatible with Tesla Vehicles & N – A2Z EV


Rivian is in the process of adding NACS connections at RAN sites. The initial rollout is 100% CCS1 so I would assume for now that is the case as I haven't really heard much news on that front. This will be a growing pain as they are making the transition. You can view each stop in the navigation (phone app and in the vehicle) and it should indicate what plugs are at that stop. Since I don't have an NACS Rivian I can't verify, but I would assume it would indicate for you that an adapter is needed and you can filter out those stops.

Hope this helps.
Yup that’s the spiel I’ve gotten from our “guides”. But it’s useless information when needs must immediately if not sooner.
 

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Another vote for A2Z. I had there adapters for my Gen 1 R1S and I bought them for my 2026 Gen 2 R1S. I waited four weeks to get the L2 AC adapter from Rivian so that is first one I got from A2Z.

If you get the Tesla app, they will tell you which chargers need a NACS adapter and are open to all vehicles. The older V2 Tesla chargers use a Tesla only protocol.
 

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Regarding your first point - the Rivian wall unit at home, it is possible to replace the cable to give it a NACS end instead of a J1772 end.

Rivian had the guide posted on their website a couple months ago, but it looks like they took it down, as the page is now a "404 page not found": Wall Charger J1772 Cable Replacement Guide - Rivian

But iFixIt saved a copy of the PDF: PDF Wall Charger J1772 Cable Replacement Guide

The issue is getting the new cord and "holster" insert. You may be able to get it from your local Service Center if you go in person. (I've gotten "not available through the Gear Shop" self-service items that way before.)
 

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For the next few years we will all live with Adapters regardless of what our vehicle has. I have 25-R1S and 23-I4. I just stick the adapters in the vehicle and if I need them fine. If not whatever.

The national charging networks won't change overnight, especially since there are lots of CCS vehicles out there. When they do us CCS owners will require adapters. The Telsa network isn't open 100% to non-teslas so you have that as well.

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