Current thinking on R1S 20" AS vs. 22" Sport

[drive2ski]

Hi All -

Sorry for another post on the wheel topic.

I'm contemplating a 2025 R1S Dual Max Perf to take advantage of current incentives, and in particular, an interesting package that includes the base 20" AS Wheels + Goodyear AT tires. This configuration appears to be an outlier, particularly since it can't actually be configured in the builder. This could be a great combination for our ski family since we log 100's of miles a year (across all seasons) on rough dirt/gravel roads along with quite a bit of highway driving. (Snow is of course part of it, but we'll be getting Blizzaks for the heart of winter. )

Am I missing anything here? Will the 20" AS be mismatched with the performance and sport mode and handle poorly? (I'm OK with them not handling as well as the 22's, but still want the ride to be as fun and engaging as can be expected in a 7000lb ship).

In older posts on the topic, the prevailing opinion seemed to have been that the 22" inch wheels were a rough ride outside of well paved streets with the 20" AS offering a great compromise without dealing with the cost and growing noise of the AT package. Do the subsequent software updates for the suspension change this for people? I certainly liked the handling in our limited test drive of the 22 (couldn't test drive the 20 AS), and there are far more options in colors and packages with the 22s, especially now that the incentive extends to 2026 Dual Max Perf..

Thanks in advance for any input on the above!

Sponsored

 

[OrthoBlock]

For what it's worth, I've been running aftermarket 20" AS tires, in 33" diameter on the oem 20" wheels for last 7500 miles, and really like them. I think it's a great combination of comfort, and efficiency...

 

[technerd]

I switched from 22" sport to aftermarket 20" on Toyo ATIII EV tires, and the difference is noticeable. The AT tires have more sidewall and compress more in turns, but absorb bumps better. So smoother but less sporty. I can still take corners with them, but did lose a bit of the fun I used to have. Don't necessarily regret them, but keeping my 22"s around for a bit longer, I may end up doing a summer & winter set.

 

[B Digs]

Hi All -

Sorry for another post on the wheel topic.

I'm contemplating a 2025 R1S Dual Max Perf to take advantage of current incentives, and in particular, an interesting package that includes the base 20" AS Wheels + Goodyear AT tires. This configuration appears to be an outlier, particularly since it can't actually be configured in the builder. This could be a great combination for our ski family since we log 100's of miles a year (across all seasons) on rough dirt/gravel roads along with quite a bit of highway driving. (Snow is of course part of it, but we'll be getting Blizzaks for the heart of winter. )

Am I missing anything here? Will the 20" AS be mismatched with the performance and sport mode and handle poorly? (I'm OK with them not handling as well as the 22's, but still want the ride to be as fun and engaging as can be expected in a 7000lb ship).

In older posts on the topic, the prevailing opinion seemed to have been that the 22" inch wheels were a rough ride outside of well paved streets with the 20" AS offering a great compromise without dealing with the cost and growing noise of the AT package. Do the subsequent software updates for the suspension change this for people? I certainly liked the handling in our limited test drive of the 22 (couldn't test drive the 20 AS), and there are far more options in colors and packages with the 22s, especially now that the incentive extends to 2026 Dual Max Perf..

Thanks in advance for any input on the above!

Hi, I’m an engineer at Goodyear and worked with Rivian to design the Terriitory AT for the R1. I’m very happy with the performance of the tire on my personal R1T dual max performance (Gen 1). Others have also had great feedback on this tire. I think you’d be very pleased with how this tire performs on the vehicle.

 

[mikehmb]

I just ordered (another) R1T, this time in performance dual max. Had I been given the option, I would absolutely have gone with the Goodyear. Each tire has their benefits, but I am now 100% convinced they are the best of all worlds and if you can only have one set of tires - that should be them.

 

[Seano]

Always going to be a variety of opinions - I’d recommend finding some friendly owners who would take you out and see the difference.

I personally like how the lower sidewalls feel for most driving - the 22s… I do have snows setup on 20s and have been impressed at how well they ride - but prefer the 22s.

The diff may not be as extreme as all purpose to sport, but I’d say ~ similar: cornering a bit sharper, a little less float when pushing it a little harder etc etc.

Loads of happy drivers running 20s on AT tires full time too!

 

[Rividiculous]

I love the grip with the 22s in the DMP. Considering getting a set of winter wheels at some point.

 

[NoMoreGas71]

Go watch Kyle Conner on Out of Spec Reviews on YouTube. He just posted a video of an R1S on the stock 20” tires and he’s ripping it up around the track on those AT’s. He seemed very impressed by the performance of the 20” tires.

 

[Megaman0025]

The 20 inch tires with a good all season road tire will also likely get much better efficiency than the 22's. Just something to think about down the road.

 

[Mathme]

I recently switched from the OEM 20ATs to the Goodyear 20 All Season (as they are labeled by Rivian) on my 2023 R1T! With about 2500 miles on them, I'm really liking them. I recently had a Rivian loaner that was within 100 VINs from my truck with the 22" Pirelli's and although it was a little more responsive than my truck with the Goodyear 20s I didn't notice that much of a difference other than they were stiffer. In comparing the loaner to my truck the efficiency was similar (although I only drove it about 150-200 miles).

I've been very happy with these Goodyear tires and will likely replace them with another set when the time comes. I'll be curious how many miles I'll get out of these tires.

 

[Brian A]

Hi All -

Sorry for another post on the wheel topic.

I'm contemplating a 2025 R1S Dual Max Perf to take advantage of current incentives, and in particular, an interesting package that includes the base 20" AS Wheels + Goodyear AT tires. This configuration appears to be an outlier, particularly since it can't actually be configured in the builder. This could be a great combination for our ski family since we log 100's of miles a year (across all seasons) on rough dirt/gravel roads along with quite a bit of highway driving. (Snow is of course part of it, but we'll be getting Blizzaks for the heart of winter. )

Am I missing anything here? Will the 20" AS be mismatched with the performance and sport mode and handle poorly? (I'm OK with them not handling as well as the 22's, but still want the ride to be as fun and engaging as can be expected in a 7000lb ship).

In older posts on the topic, the prevailing opinion seemed to have been that the 22" inch wheels were a rough ride outside of well paved streets with the 20" AS offering a great compromise without dealing with the cost and growing noise of the AT package. Do the subsequent software updates for the suspension change this for people? I certainly liked the handling in our limited test drive of the 22 (couldn't test drive the 20 AS), and there are far more options in colors and packages with the 22s, especially now that the incentive extends to 2026 Dual Max Perf..

Thanks in advance for any input on the above!

My 2 cents: I have the 22 inch oem tires for spring, summer, fall and an aftermarket set of 20 inch tires with Blizzaks for winter driving. The 22 inch OEM tires are the worst tires I have ever seen for driving on the snow. With the Blizzaks my quad motor gen1 is unstoppable! The 22's give better range but a stiffer ride. The 20's are a much smoother ride and less chance of curb rash but do have reduced range. I live in Colorado and do some winter mountain driving.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

20” has more tire options beyond the stock tires. If you want that freedom, it’s a no brainer. Also, no brainers, the R20 Goodyear tires are far less expensive to replace, at $250-$270 each. Look up the R22 tires on TireRack and compare. The Goodyears are also competent in most conditions, including moderate snow/ice. They have more air volume too, so there is more cushion to soak up bumps. One set for all seasons. No need for expense of a secondary winter set (unless severe storms are common in your climate).

As for handling, steering response isn’t as sharp as the lower profiled R22. But, don’t lose sight of context. This is a 7k lb high riding SUV. Not a sports car. And unless you drive the two wheel/tire combos back to back you won’t know the difference. The R1’s advanced suspension makes it drive like no other SUV of its size and weight; regardless of which tire option.

Instead, spend time pondering what your priorities are: Versatility that makes most use of the vehicle capabilities, or strictly a pavement-bound cruiser. In less than a minute you should be able to find your answer.

 

[Rasputin]

Dumb question here... I have the stock OEM Pirelli 20's (34") and a full size spare. If I switch to the Goodyear 20's (33") can I keep the Pirelli on the spare and run in an emergency or will the different radius cause problems with the drive system? Wondering how this works with the R1S and doughnut... maybe not an issue? Thanks.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Dumb question here... I have the stock OEM Pirelli 20's (34") and a full size spare. If I switch to the Goodyear 20's (33") can I keep the Pirelli on the spare and run in an emergency or will the different radius cause problems with the drive system? Wondering how this works with the R1S and doughnut... maybe not an issue? Thanks.

You might be able to "limp" to safety. But 1.2" diameter difference is significant. Might trigger errors with traction control. The Goodyear is inexpensive enough, personally, I'd go ahead and change all 5 and start doing 5-tire rotations from that point on.

 

[R1Yes]

How’s the noise with the Goodyears? I’ve driven loaners with the stock 20” AT and the ride is much louder than with the stock 22” Sport.

Sponsored