A Tesla Cybertruck Owner Says His Truck Cut Off a Police Officer On The Highway and cries it was FSD, not me

[Zoidz]

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"Stephen Affolter, a Cybertruck owner from Georgetown, Texas, reports that his vehicle performed a risky maneuver in front of a police officer.

Stephen’s Cybertruck was driving autonomously on the highway using Tesla’s latest FSD software.
The Cybertruck was cruising behind a slow-moving vehicle in the middle lane when it suddenly activated the turn signal and moved to the left lane.

While using a turn signal and overtaking on the left is acceptable, the issue is that there was already an SUV driving in the passing lane.

Cutting off a vehicle in the middle of the highway is bad enough; however, making matters worse, the vehicle that the Cybertruck cut off was a police car. After this maneuver, the cop pulled over Stephen. Although he protested that the Cybertruck was operating autonomously and he wasn’t driving, the officer still issued him a traffic ticket."

Driving laws in most/all states clearly specifiy that a licensed driver is responsible for and must be in control of the vehicle at all times. FSD is not a licensed driver. Suck it up dude and pay the fine. You're responsible.

Pennsylvania Vehicle Code
§ 1501. Drivers required to be licensed.

(a) General rule.--No person, except those expressly exempted, shall drive any motor vehicle upon a highway or public property in this Commonwealth unless the person has a driver's license valid under the provisions of this chapter. As used in this subsection, the term "public property" includes, but is not limited to, driveways and parking lots owned or leased by the Commonwealth, a political subdivision or an agency or instrumentality of either.

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[COdogman]

Shaggy would be proud:

 

[bigsky]

FSD on CT perhaps is not to the level it is with other Teslas. Earlier versions of FSD on my two Teslas seemed to have a nasty habit on the highway of passing a vehicle and pulling back into the right lane apparentky too close to that vehicle. I caught flashing lights and honks from those drivers a few times. Not anymore after recent Tesla software updates.

"Be ready to take over at any time...," so goes the FSD warning when enabling it.

 

[sub]

The SUV it cut in front of was a cop. Needless to say got a ticket for doing 85.

To qualify as cutting someone off you have to be going slower than the other vehicle right? So that means the cop was just cruising down the road going 20+ mph over the limit?

If it were me I'd accept responsibility for my ticket but I would have showed up to court insisting that the cop gets a ticket too.

If the cop had a valid reason for going that fast he wouldn't have had time to stop and ticket the cyber truck. So he didn't and was even more guilty of committing a crime than the cyber truck driver.

 

[bigsky]

To qualify as cutting someone off you have to be going slower than the other vehicle right? So that means the cop was just cruising down the road going 20+ mph over the limit?

If it were me I'd accept responsibility for my ticket but I would have showed up to court insisting that the cop gets a ticket too.

If the cop had a valid reason for going that fast he wouldn't have had time to stop and ticket the cyber truck. So he didn't and was even more guilty of committing a crime than the cyber truck driver.

Or pull in too close in front of that vehicle regardless of speed.

 

[RivAW]

To qualify as cutting someone off you have to be going slower than the other vehicle right? So that means the cop was just cruising down the road going 20+ mph over the limit?

If it were me I'd accept responsibility for my ticket but I would have showed up to court insisting that the cop gets a ticket too.

If the cop had a valid reason for going that fast he wouldn't have had time to stop and ticket the cyber truck. So he didn't and was even more guilty of committing a crime than the cyber truck driver.

The point is not invalid but that’s not how tickets or Court works…that’s just wasting everybody’s time. If you are pretty sure you are getting a ticket anyway, you can just be a PITA and tell the cop that you thought they were not allowed to violate the speed limit without emergency lights activated (depending on the state) and let it be…

 

[bigsky]

The point is not invalid but that’s not how tickets or Court works…that’s just wasting everybody’s time. If you are pretty sure you are getting a ticket anyway, you can just be a PITA and tell the cop that you thought they were not allowed to violate the speed limit without emergency lights activated (depending on the state) and let it be…

Just remember, we are talking TX here. 'Nuff said.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

To qualify as cutting someone off you have to be going slower than the other vehicle right? So that means the cop was just cruising down the road going 20+ mph over the limit?

If it were me I'd accept responsibility for my ticket but I would have showed up to court insisting that the cop gets a ticket too.

If the cop had a valid reason for going that fast he wouldn't have had time to stop and ticket the cyber truck. So he didn't and was even more guilty of committing a crime than the cyber truck driver.

Sure, but that doesn't mean the cop was speeding. Say the speed limit was 75, IDK about in Texas but around here plently of people have lead in their ass and go 10-15 under on the freeway. So if the car in front of the CT in the middle lane was going 60 in said 75 and the CT merged it could still cut the officer off hardcore without the officer breaking the law.

Regardless, I would rather have the police go a reasonable speed than the speed limit as speed limits are almost always set too low.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I have no doubt the driver was telling the truth, but I think there should be an even MORE severe ticket for this situation. The driver abdicated his control and attention to FSD, a system that is extremely dangerous and not at all ready for autonomus operation. Situations like this are why I am so outspoken against FSD. People stop paying enough attention and just let the system do the work, but the system is not up to the task.

I think if you are using FSD and you get in an accident caused by using the system you should have your license automatically suspended, similar to if you let your 8 year old drive home. You are endangering the lives of everyone around you using these systems if you're not paying attention and monitoring it's movements. When I use the ADAS in my tri, I have to activate the lane changes so I verify it is clear before doing so. Even if the system improves enough to where it decides to make the lane changes you better believe I will be monitoring it to ensure the lane changes only occur when the lane is clear by using the blind spot monitor and camera view that pops up on the driver's display.

This driver didn't do that, he wasn't paying attention and was most likely fucking off playing on his phone or something. If you choose to use a system that is NOT a subsitute to a human being as a subsitute to a human being then you are driving with the same level of responsibility as if you were hammered drunk.

 

[bigsky]

So th

I have no doubt the driver was telling the truth, but I think there should be an even MORE severe ticket for this situation. The driver abdicated his control and attention to FSD, a system that is extremely dangerous and not at all ready for autonomus operation. Situations like this are why I am so outspoken against FSD. People stop paying enough attention and just let the system do the work, but the system is not up to the task.

I think if you are using FSD and you get in an accident caused by using the system you should have your license automatically suspended, similar to if you let your 8 year old drive home. You are endangering the lives of everyone around you using these systems if you're not paying attention and monitoring it's movements. When I use the ADAS in my tri, I have to activate the lane changes so I verify it is clear before doing so. Even if the system improves enough to where it decides to make the lane changes you better believe I will be monitoring it to ensure the lane changes only occur when the lane is clear by using the blind spot monitor and camera view that pops up on the driver's display.

This driver didn't do that, he wasn't paying attention and was most likely fucking off playing on his phone or something. If you choose to use a system that is NOT a subsitute to a human being as a subsitute to a human being then you are driving with the same level of responsibility as if you were hammered drunk.

So people do not pay attention, "abdicate" attention and control; therefore, it is the system (FSD) fault. Got it!!!
FSD may not be perfect; it is so not. FSD may not be level 5; it is not, but FSD being "extremely dangerous," well, that's rich.

Such a huge boatload of anti-FSD poppycock this is. Please kindly lay off the anti-FSD hyperbole, sensationalism, the drama, the propaganda. Take a day off.

The funny part is that you yourself shoot down your anti-FSD vitriolic argument with some of the very statements you yourself made in this post also.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

So th

So people do not pay attention, "abdicate" attention and control; therefore, it is the system (FSD) fault. Got it!!!
FSD may not be perfect; it is so not. FSD may not be level 5; it is not, but FSD being "extremely dangerous," well, that's rich.

Such a huge boatload of anti-FSD poppycock this is. Please kindly lay off the anti-FSD hyperbole, sensationalism, the drama, the propaganda. Take a day off.

The funny part is that you yourself shoot down your anti-FSD vitriolic argument with some of the very statements you yourself made in this post also.

First off, I'm not sure why abdicate is in quotations, as I used it correctly. I'm sorry, words are difficult for you, but I've included a screenshot of the definition of 'abdicate' for your reference. Additionally, I recognize that advanced concepts may be challenging for some individuals, so I'll do my best to explain why FSD is so deadly and dangerous.

FSD lulls people into a false sense of security. Hell, it's even named FULL SELF DRIVE with a shitty little asterisk that it needs to be supervised after Elon got sued over it. It works just well enough that people relinquish the responsibility of driving, and that ultimately leads to accidents.

I don't see how I contradicted myself at all. The problem with FSD is that it isn't yet good enough to drive; it appears to be so to a layman, right up until the point they wind up killing themselves or someone else. If the person driving was not using FSD they would be paying attention to the road and would have avoided this situation. They were using FSD, so they were not paying attention and therefore would have caused an accident had the officer not been paying attention.

 

[COdogman]

So th

So people do not pay attention, "abdicate" attention and control; therefore, it is the system (FSD) fault. Got it!!!
FSD may not be perfect; it is so not. FSD may not be level 5; it is not, but FSD being "extremely dangerous," well, that's rich.

Such a huge boatload of anti-FSD poppycock this is. Please kindly lay off the anti-FSD hyperbole, sensationalism, the drama, the propaganda. Take a day off.

The funny part is that you yourself shoot down your anti-FSD vitriolic argument with some of the very statements you yourself made in this post also.

Can you take a day off from missing the point of the criticism? Because after all of your ranting about it you still don't even seem to understand that if YOU actually supervise it at all times, then YOU are not part of the problem.

Unfortunately when you make a bunch of BS claims about what it can, will do in the future, yet name your product "FULL SELF DRIVING", there is a large percentage of people who take that literally and put others in danger.

Or, you can keep taking this criticism personally, which is kinda weird, but you do you

 

[VSG]

I have no doubt the driver was telling the truth, but I think there should be an even MORE severe ticket for this situation. The driver abdicated his control and attention to FSD, a system that is extremely dangerous and not at all ready for autonomus operation. Situations like this are why I am so outspoken against FSD. People stop paying enough attention and just let the system do the work, but the system is not up to the task.

I think if you are using FSD and you get in an accident caused by using the system you should have your license automatically suspended, similar to if you let your 8 year old drive home. You are endangering the lives of everyone around you using these systems if you're not paying attention and monitoring it's movements.

This. It's about holding the DRIVER responsible for the DRIVER'S failure to supervise FSD, and NOT allowing people to blame FSD.

FSD is an enabler for bad behavior. It's like the "friend" who encourages an alcoholic to have "just one" drink at the party, like everyone else, because what can it hurt? FSD is like an untrained agressive dog at the dog park which goes around assaulting the other dogs - it's not the dog's "fault", it's the bad owner that is causing the problem.

FSD is not the cause of the driver's bad behavior, but it makes it that much easier to drive irresponsibly. Driving while playing a video game is dangerous and irresponsible, but without FSD that would be very difficult to do. With FSD it's easy, and so people WILL do that because FSD has enabled that behavior.

Pretty much any tool can be dangerous or deadly if used improperly, but with most tools the person most at risk is usually the tool user. People will recognize, for example, that if they don't know how to use a chain saw, perhaps they ought to learn something first before they accidentally cut off their own foot or drop a tree on their own house. FSD on the other hand makes is so very easy to use a tool that is deadly mainly to OTHERS, where the normal rational fear that will regulate who and how one wields a chain saw isn't present. And the constant portrayal of FSD as being far safer than a human driver encourages people to use it without the necessary caution.

 

[defcon888]

TorqueNews

"Stephen Affolter, a Cybertruck owner from Georgetown, Texas, reports that his vehicle performed a risky maneuver in front of a police officer.

Another reason NOT to use Rivian's FSD feature (Well, at least what they have now). I think it is making drivers lazy and dependent. I will not trust my and my familes lives to a $2.00 silicon chip.

People can say "oh, the reaction time of the Driver+/FSD is better than drivers reaction time".

I disagree. Driver+/FSD only sees what it is programed to see and not what 45 years of driving and seeing every. I do like cruise control and the alert when I get to close to someone, but to have a vehcile 100% drive for me?.....no thank you. I am old school and when I took drivers training back in 1980, the instructor beat it into our heads "never take your hands off the steering wheel ever".......so, I never do...well, there is always 1 hand on the wheel.

 

[bigsky]

First off, I'm not sure why abdicate is in quotations, as I used it correctly. I'm sorry, words are difficult for you, but I've included a screenshot of the definition of 'abdicate' for your reference. Additionally, I recognize that advanced concepts may be challenging for some individuals, so I'll do my best to explain why FSD is so deadly and dangerous.

FSD lulls people into a false sense of security. Hell, it's even named FULL SELF DRIVE with a shitty little asterisk that it needs to be supervised after Elon got sued over it. It works just well enough that people relinquish the responsibility of driving, and that ultimately leads to accidents.

I don't see how I contradicted myself at all. The problem with FSD is that it isn't yet good enough to drive; it appears to be so to a layman, right up until the point they wind up killing themselves or someone else. If the person driving was not using FSD they would be paying attention to the road and would have avoided this situation. They were using FSD, so they were not paying attention and therefore would have caused an accident had the officer not been paying attention.

I, unlike many, have mastered the English language, rules and regulations thereof included.
That said, please kindly look up the correct usage of quotation marks; when, how, and why. Gtacias.

In a nutshell, you attack FSD as "extremely dangerous" (oh, no. Quotation marks again) not for what it is but rather for what people do.

My alma matter taught me to think logically quite well. Your argument as to why FSD is "extremely dangerous" is THE VERY DEFINITION of and poster child for a logical fallacy.

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