Tesla FSD drives down railroad tracks, gets hit by train

[pamalabama]

A good point (and your other post was full of great points too that will trigger the anti-ADAS people). Waymos are known for taking SAFE but unusual shortcuts. The interesting part of that is that they were not told to do this, and somehow "learned" to do it. One example is that one drove through the Waymo storage/charging/service facility to get to the other side. It shouldn't do that, but was also perfectly safe. I'd pay extra for that tour!

Waymo mapped it and that's why it happened.

In the case of FSD it "finds" a shortcut from the google satellite images. Basically tesla drives using maps, using AI vision and using satellite images. All 3 contribute to where the car decides to go.

The likelyhood that the car saw the train track in the satellite view as a shortcut is very, very low. But it would only be even remotely believable if the destination matched the shortcut.

FSD is driving for billions of miles. Freak events like these don't just happen one time and never happen again

The guy who flipped his car over and hit a tree. If it happened to him (which turned out to be fake) then it would have happened at least one other time

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[Motoarzon]

Extremely persuasive contribution filled with facts and logic.

There is no such thing as FSD for the general public of Tesla owners. Now, there is an FSD "Supervised". Meaning anything weird happens and the alert driver must immediately take the wheel. The fact this vehicle ended up so far off course shows the driver was asleep at the wheel or totally out to lunch and simply "blaming" Tesla to get himself out of hot water.
FACT: There is no such thing as FSD "un-supervised" therefore it makes this whole article "moot and a lie"!!!
People are gullible and can't follow the paths of logic and rule out things based on facts we know. They simply look at a picture with an article written by some stooge that needs a click bait headline to appease his boss to get a paycheque at the end of the week and go with that. LOL.

 

[JM.]

Waymo mapped it and that's why it happened.

There are a lot of mapped places that the cars are supposed to avoid when they have a passenger on board. Somehow the car decided to ignore this.

It will be interesting to see whatever data is actually released on what the car's logic was, as you point out. Or if they end up showing, AGAIN, that an idiot meatbag took over and caused the problem. People drive onto tracks all the damn time.

 

[Motoarzon]

I recently had an opportunity to try FSD and thought I should so I had some sense of it. I had one critical disengagement where it wanted to turn right in front of a cyclist that had good odds of the cyclist hitting the vehicle. So in my anecdotal 30 miles of use, if I had let it, it could have had a serious accident while I have so far avoided any myself in 30 years of driving and over 500,000 miles.

Anecdotal data - so perhaps kind of useless - except this is not an uncommon edge case. Therefore, in my mind, it is easy to prove that the Tesla is NOT capable of FSD at this point. And until we have actual reliable data (not anecdotal) that proves it is safer than humans in ALL instances, it really shouldn't be allowed in the hands of everyday users, only test users who have been suitably trained.

Which version, how long ago, and which city? Because most are driving for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles without ever touching the wheel or pedals. In the mean time the Tesla Dojo AI supercomputer is still "exponentially" leaning and getting better and better everywhere!

 

[docwhiz]

There is no such thing as FSD for the general public of Tesla owners. Now, there is an FSD "Supervised". Meaning anything weird happens and the alert driver must immediately take the wheel. The fact this vehicle ended up so far off course shows the driver was asleep at the wheel or totally out to lunch and simply "blaming" Tesla to get himself out of hot water.
FACT: There is no such thing as FSD "un-supervised" therefore it makes this whole article "moot and a lie"!!!
People are gullible and can't follow the paths of logic and rule out things based on facts we know. They simply look at a picture with an article written by some stooge that needs a click bait headline to appease his boss to get a paycheque at the end of the week and go with that. LOL.

Sell the dream.
Blame the customer.

More Tesla smoke and mirrors.
In 2017, Musk said we would have FSD coast to coast by the end of the year.
He's repeated it every year.

 

[pamalabama]

Sell the dream.
Blame the customer.

More Tesla smoke and mirrors.
In 2017, Musk said we would have FSD coast to coast by the end of the year.
He's repeated it every year.

no he didn't. They were quiet about it for years. He actually didn't make any claims about FSD for the longest time until October robotaxi event

Even the FSD product you could buy made no claims about full autonomy

 

[JM.]

In 2017, Musk said we would have FSD coast to coast by the end of the year.

He is a lying weasel, we all know this.

He's repeated it every year.

False, just like all the half-truths from all the anti-ADAS people. You had a strong point and then added BS.

 

[docwhiz]

no he didn't. They were quiet about it for years. He actually didn't make any claims about FSD for the longest time until October robotaxi event

Here's a detailed recounting of Musk's broken promises... in his own words on video.

 

[docwhiz]

He is a lying weasel, we all know this.



False, just like all the half-truths from all the anti-ADAS people. You had a strong point and then added BS.

 

[COdogman]

There is no such thing as FSD for the general public of Tesla owners. Now, there is an FSD "Supervised". Meaning anything weird happens and the alert driver must immediately take the wheel. The fact this vehicle ended up so far off course shows the driver was asleep at the wheel or totally out to lunch and simply "blaming" Tesla to get himself out of hot water.
FACT: There is no such thing as FSD "un-supervised" therefore it makes this whole article "moot and a lie"!!!
People are gullible and can't follow the paths of logic and rule out things based on facts we know. They simply look at a picture with an article written by some stooge that needs a click bait headline to appease his boss to get a paycheque at the end of the week and go with that. LOL.

For the purposes of public safety it is irrelevant whether the driver was or wasn't following Tesla's "rules" for properly using FSD. Nor does it matter what sub-title it has (supervised vs un-supervised).

Tesla designed the system and chose to name it "Full Self Driving". The "supervised" tag came way later and I think you know that. Tesla's implementation allows people to bypass the rules, putting themselves and every other driver at risk.

We don't know for sure, but it's possible the driver is an idiot and is at fault. It's also possible they were following the rules and FSD still turned onto the tracks given the design of the intersection.

Blaming the driver and then a local news station for reporting on it as if they are part of some conspiracy against Tesla/ Leon is just pathetic and all too common now. Look at the language you used to describe the writer of a simple article describing an accident. Grow up.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

There is no such thing as FSD for the general public of Tesla owners. Now, there is an FSD "Supervised". Meaning anything weird happens and the alert driver must immediately take the wheel. The fact this vehicle ended up so far off course shows the driver was asleep at the wheel or totally out to lunch and simply "blaming" Tesla to get himself out of hot water.
FACT: There is no such thing as FSD "un-supervised" therefore it makes this whole article "moot and a lie"!!!
People are gullible and can't follow the paths of logic and rule out things based on facts we know. They simply look at a picture with an article written by some stooge that needs a click bait headline to appease his boss to get a paycheque at the end of the week and go with that. LOL.

It’s really annoying when someone reads the first page of the thread and starts quoting posts instead of reading further to see if their comment was mentioned already. You’re the 4th person to make a comment like this in this thread

 

[Dark-Fx]

There is no such thing as FSD for the general public of Tesla owners. Now, there is an FSD "Supervised". Meaning anything weird happens and the alert driver must immediately take the wheel. The fact this vehicle ended up so far off course shows the driver was asleep at the wheel or totally out to lunch and simply "blaming" Tesla to get himself out of hot water.
FACT: There is no such thing as FSD "un-supervised" therefore it makes this whole article "moot and a lie"!!!
People are gullible and can't follow the paths of logic and rule out things based on facts we know. They simply look at a picture with an article written by some stooge that needs a click bait headline to appease his boss to get a paycheque at the end of the week and go with that. LOL.

This occurrence is more akin to having your passenger suddenly yank your wheel at speed to make the vehicle turn down the train tracks when they've never done anything like that to you before.

 

[Dave Cundiff]

Please, everyone, let's try to help each other on this forum.

"I'm right, you're wrong" is usually not a helpful stance. It's very easy to be right without being helpful.

Insulting each other may feel satisfying, but it doesn't make the Rivian community any happier or more successful.

Best to all!

 

[carsly]

This was from November 2023, a car driving in my blind spot turned into my side. I never saw it coming, only noticed my Tesla (HW3) jerked the steering wheel to the side and started maneuvering. Took me a second or more to process what was happening, never expected someone to sideswipe me from behind as we're all travelling in the same direction and I was steady in my lane with an ample safety cushion in front of me.



And this was the old FSD/Autopilot before the system migrated to neural nets. If you think you would have noticed and moved out of the way, I'm happy for you. I've been driving 30+ years and never saw this coming.

I hope Rivians system can eventually get to this point. The longest I've been able to use it so far on highways is 8 seconds. Never tried on local roads, not sure it even works.

 

[COdogman]

This was from November 2023, a car driving in my blind spot turned into my side. I never saw it coming, only noticed my Tesla (HW3) jerked the steering wheel to the side and started maneuvering. Took me a second or more to process what was happening, never expected someone to sideswipe me from behind as we're all travelling in the same direction and I was steady in my lane with an ample safety cushion in front of me.



And this was the old FSD/Autopilot before the system migrated to neural nets. If you think you would have noticed and moved out of the way, I'm happy for you. I've been driving 30+ years and never saw this coming.

I hope Rivians system can eventually get to this point. The longest I've been able to use it so far on highways is 8 seconds. Never tried on local roads, not sure it even works.

That's great - it's still not proof that FSD is generally safe and/ or safer than human drivers as a whole. There are just as many videos of FSD doing crazy, dangerous shit out there as there are videos of it "preventing" danger.

Stop confusing your personal FEELING that it is safe for actual PROOF it is safe. Tesla could end the debate by sharing data and if it proves to be as safe as Leon has been saying, it would provide a nice advertising point. So far they are doing everything they can to avoid doing that and there must be a reason why....

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