Photo: R2 body built w/ production dies! NACS charge port location = driver's side ?

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

The thing about a pissing match is, even if you win you still get covered in piss.

But some people seem to enjoy that.

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[midnightscavenger]

Doesn't matter to me which standard Rivian uses. Not an end all be all to me. Should carry an adapter for the other unless you want to potentially screw yourself over on a road trip.

 

[Ostrichsak]

Doesn't matter to me which standard Rivian uses. Not an end all be all to me. Should carry an adapter for the other unless you want to potentially screw yourself over on a road trip.

Everyone here should want Rivian to use the NACS standard. It's literally now the standard for the US. Rivian even announced they were switching to it, just like everyone else. No idea why some people here seem to think it's still an option at this point but it would be a terrible decision even if they made it. Fast forward 10 years from now and they would be the only EV manufacturer in the US using something not NACS. It's also an interior design so it makes no sense why anyone would actually want it. It's weird that some here are debating it as if it was.

 

[Ostrichsak]

Backing into parking spots reduces accidents. Many of the big corporate campuses around here only allow backing-in parking for safety.

Agreed. Backing into a space is the safer way to do it, objectively. You can see all around you as you back into the space and when exiting the space you're looking forward so you can much more in both directions to make sure someone isn't speeding through a parking lot w/o paying attention. Because we all know that never happens. I would back into every spot no matter what and did long before owning an EV so if EVs engineers put the charge port in a place that is conducive to a safer form of parking I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[SolartoEV]

When Rivians switch to the Tesla plug. Do we get to use all the other tesla chargers that currently aren't open to us?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

When Rivians switch to the Tesla plug. Do we get to use all the other tesla chargers that currently aren't open to us?

No. There are two parts to why some locations aren't open:

1. Superchargers older than v3 have hardware that are incompatible with non-Teslas.
2. Of all v3 and v4 Superchargers, it's Tesla's prerogative which to open to non-Teslas.

 

[SolartoEV]

No. There are two parts to why some locations aren't open:

1. Superchargers older than v3 have hardware that are incompatible with non-Teslas.
2. Of all v3 and v4 Superchargers, it's Tesla's prerogative which to open to non-Teslas.

So what is the advantage with that plug?

 

[Ostrichsak]

So what is the advantage with that plug?

It's smaller, easier to use and has both AC & DC charging in said smaller & easier to use package without a big clunky connector, comparatively speaking. It's also a better design for liquid cooling which is where things are going with the higher charge rates starting a couple years ago. Plus it's the new standard in the US so pretty much all level 3 chargers going forward are going to be built as NACS and any government funding for said projects are for the NACS standard. It's also why all EV manufacturers are switching over to it starting this year. It's a big win for consumers if anyone remembers the 90's when every cell phone had a proprietary charger. Ugh. Imagine that but on the scale of the automotive & EV segment and charging network. It would be similar to having to go to a brand-specific proprietary gas station for every gas powered car. For once, our government dodged a future bullet with that one for consumers.

 

[mikehmb]

So what is the advantage with that plug?

It's smaller and easier to handle.

The CCS1 plug is pretty beefy and challenging to bend to get to your truck if the angle is weird. I've never had an issue with it, but I can see why some people do.

Also, because there are a metric f***-ton of NACS from Tesla around.

Regarding your other question - no, the older stations support the plug, not the protocol. They need to be NACS-compliant, and even then, Tesla needs to enable the support for non-Teslas.

Confused yet? Great! Let's continue.

NACS and CCS are HW standards, and all current gen CCS and NACS stations use the same protocol to communicate with the car.

CCS Hardware has separate pins for AC charging (J1772, the thing you've got at home) and the extra DC backpack for fast charging. NACS uses a combined, streamlined plug with common pins instead of the frankenplug for CCS.

Earlier Tesla SC's support NACS HW but not the current protocol standard.

The protocol is what your car and the charging station to communicate with each other. Think of it like Stupid Ethernet, unless you really want to dig in.

All US-based CCS stations support all CCS-enabled vehicles as well as NACS-enabled (SW) Teslas, because they use the same power line protocols.

This all actually makes perfect sense if you're an engineer who is used to working on competing standards, although for normal people, it is likely infuriating.

 

[SolartoEV]

It's smaller, easier to use and has both AC & DC charging in said smaller & easier to use package without a big clunky connector, comparatively speaking. It's also a better design for liquid cooling which is where things are going with the higher charge rates starting a couple years ago. Plus it's the new standard in the US so pretty much all level 3 chargers going forward are going to be built as NACS and any government funding for said projects are for the NACS standard. It's also why all EV manufacturers are switching over to it starting this year. It's a big win for consumers if anyone remembers the 90's when every cell phone had a proprietary charger. Ugh. Imagine that but on the scale of the automotive & EV segment and charging network. It would be similar to having to go to a brand-specific proprietary gas station for every gas powered car. For once, our government dodged a future bullet with that one for consumers.

Whats the standard in Europe?

As a united group they have the second highest amount of light duty electric vehicles.

How are they surviving with out ncas?

 

[SolartoEV]

It's smaller and easier to handle.

The CCS1 plug is arguably pretty beefy and challenging to bend to get to your truck if the angle is weird.

Also, because there are a metric f***-ton of them from Tesla around.

Regarding your other question - no, the older stations support the plug, not the protocol. They need to be NACS-compliant, and even then, Tesla needs to enable the support for non-Teslas.

Whats the standard in China ?

This country has the highest amounts of light duty Ev's.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

So what is the advantage with that plug?

Now? until the rest of the North American automotive world and charging networks converts to NACS fully? Psychological benefit to those who think "oh mah gherd, adapters are so hard" and a temporal distortion will form and suck their existence into oblivion.

 

[mikehmb]

Whats the standard in Europe?

As a united group they have the second highest amount of light duty electric vehicles.

How are they surviving with out ncas?

CCS2

 

[mikehmb]

Whats the standard in China ?

This country has the highest amounts of light duty Ev's.

According to Google, it's ... some other stuff. I have no idea how it works, but you can probably decode it from the GB/T standard I spent 2 seconds looking at.

 

[SolartoEV]

I am being very facetious here. We are using this plug because tesla wanted to be different. Porsche has some of the fastest charging rates and doesn't use tesla.

Interesting that some of the most adavanced ev's ( from china) and fastest charging vehicles ( Porsche and lucids) all developed with out nacs.

the 2 largest ev consumers also don't ust it.

Interesting that somehow its that much better and desperately need to be interduced as "standard".

CCS2

Ahh.... interesting.

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