Inexpensive 20" (Atturo, Arroyo) vs a fan favorite Nitto

[jackelmatador]

Hi Everyone!

I have owned my Rivian for 1.5 years and need to change the tires. I am not a huge fan of the stock 21" Pirellis as they don't last long are silly expense. I also want to do some more off pavement adventures. Heck should have started with A/T tires but this is what the had stock so I could get it right away and not wait months for my order. Anyhow I finally took advantage of black Friday sales and got some nice wheels from EV Sportline Wheels. Now I have been looking at tires non stop and would appreciate some advice. It seems the Nitto Terra Recon Grappler is popular, gets good mileage and lowish noise on highway. I found a few other less known brand tires that have similar or potentially better specs (and even better pricing at a couple local stores)

Nitto Recon Grappler
WEIGHT 47 LBS
TREAD DEPTH 14/32"
LOAD INDEX 116
LOAD RANGE XL
MAX PSI 50 PSI
SPEED RATING Up to 112 mph
WARRANTY 65000
Price ~$301

Atturo Trail Blade ATS
WEIGHT 44.871 LBS
TREAD DEPTH 13/32"
LOAD INDEX 116
LOAD RANGE XL
MAX PSI 50 PSI
SPEED RATING Up to 118 mph
WARRANTY 50000
Price ~ $164

Arroyo Tamarock A/T
Tire Weight 48 lbs
Tread Depth 13.1/32nds
Load Index 2998 lbs (119)
Inflation Pressure 49 PSI
Max Speed 130 MPH (H) (I really like this since Rivian is a wonderful beast on the road)
WARRANTY 50000
Price ~$166

Things I care about in order (more or less)
Range
Noise
Price
Off Road Capability
Wear (aka how long does it last)
Performance

Biggest concern is I don't see anyone with a Rivian trying the Atturo or Arroyo, but they have decent reviews on various online stores. So any recommendations? If I go with Aturro/Arroyo I will make sure to do a first post for anyone else considering off brand tires!

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[SamDoe1]

Tires are the only thing between you and certain death so it's not wise to try and cheap out on them. Only buy tires from reputable manufacturers, there are so many review tests/videos out there validating this.

 

[ksurfier]

Hi Everyone!

I have owned my Rivian for 1.5 years and need to change the tires. I am not a huge fan of the stock 21" Pirellis as they don't last long are silly expense. I also want to do some more off pavement adventures. Heck should have started with A/T tires but this is what the had stock so I could get it right away and not wait months for my order. Anyhow I finally took advantage of black Friday sales and got some nice wheels from EV Sportline Wheels. Now I have been looking at tires non stop and would appreciate some advice. It seems the Nitto Terra Recon Grappler is popular, gets good mileage and lowish noise on highway. I found a few other less known brand tires that have similar or potentially better specs (and even better pricing at a couple local stores)

Nitto Recon Grappler
WEIGHT 47 LBS
TREAD DEPTH 14/32"
LOAD INDEX 116
LOAD RANGE XL
MAX PSI 50 PSI
SPEED RATING Up to 112 mph
WARRANTY 65000
Price ~$301

Atturo Trail Blade ATS
WEIGHT 44.871 LBS
TREAD DEPTH 13/32"
LOAD INDEX 116
LOAD RANGE XL
MAX PSI 50 PSI
SPEED RATING Up to 118 mph
WARRANTY 50000
Price ~ $164

Arroyo Tamarock A/T
Tire Weight 48 lbs
Tread Depth 13.1/32nds
Load Index 2998 lbs (119)
Inflation Pressure 49 PSI
Max Speed 130 MPH (H) (I really like this since Rivian is a wonderful beast on the road)
WARRANTY 50000
Price ~$166

Things I care about in order (more or less)
Range
Noise
Price
Off Road Capability
Wear (aka how long does it last)
Performance

Biggest concern is I don't see anyone with a Rivian trying the Atturo or Arroyo, but they have decent reviews on various online stores. So any recommendations? If I go with Aturro/Arroyo I will make sure to do a first post for anyone else considering off brand tires!

I think there is a misconception that the cheaper tires are “unsafe”. What is more likely is they will be faster wearing and not necessarily have performance characteristics of a more expensive tires. There are 3-4 ranges for tires. ~$600, ~$1200, and $1800 for a set of 4 that will last between 20-50k miles.
Then there is efficiency, say 1.7, 2.0, and 2.3 MPK. To get 2.3 MPK you need a tire under 40#. If we follow your hierarchy then you can limit the options to 3-4 tires:
General grabber hts60 (best efficiency)
Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 (long lasting)
Pirelli AS+3 good all around but 115)

I would consider one of the cheaper options but recognize it’s a gamble that may not pay off.

Also, I would consider any tire under 50# not very suitable for off-road/towing usage, can you do it? Sure…but is it a good idea…nope.

 

[LL75]

I have the Nitto recon in my Silverado ICE and did not like it. noisy and not great in wet rainy weather. I'm in Texas, so that is all I really care to be honest. Expensive doesn't mean it is good. I run the general grabbers HTS60 in my Rivian. It is not AT, but if you are looking for efficiency, this is the tire to get. It is more efficient than my original OEM 21"

 

[COdogman]

When I was younger and very poor and could only afford those less expensive tires, I was always disappointed in the end by how quickly they were used up and had to be replaced. Yes, that can happen with more expensive tires but from my experience none of those less well known brands were made to last. They either lost their tread quickly or had some other failure that required replacement sooner than expected.

 

[BigBambu]

When we talk about efficiency in tires we are talking mostly about "rolling resistance". Every manufacturer of quality tires (like Michelin or Pirelli) publish that number for their tires. It is helpful for us EV owners to use that number when we compare tire makes and models.

Here is a definitive explanation---


Rolling resistance is the amount of energy required to keep a tire rolling at a consistent speed over a surface. It's caused by friction between the tire and the road, as well as other factors like:

• Tire design, including the bead, belt, sidewall, tread, and inflation pressure
• Vehicle load and distribution
• Road conditions
• Weather
• Tire deformation
• Wing drag

Rolling resistance is one of five forces that a vehicle must overcome to move forward, along with gravity, aerodynamics, inertia, and mechanical friction. The higher the rolling resistance, the more energy is needed to overcome it.

The Department of Energy estimates that rolling resistance accounts for 4–11% of fuel consumption for gas vehicles and about 25% for electric vehicles. Low rolling resistance tires are designed to minimize tire deflection and energy loss, which can make them more fuel-efficient than conventional tires.

 

[bike123.com]

Based on one of the responses here ( can’t find)
I just visited tirebuyer.com and got this result:
Like another response, I too prefer low resistance and low noise .
The OE scorpion 20 at are quieter than they look but we are seldom in snow or dirt.
They didn’t seem that great in those more extreme situations either, so we are seeking a more roadie tire

 

[jackelmatador]

This is actually my 4th electric car … Still have my 2013 Nissan leaf, 2018 Tesla model 3 and the Rivian R1S. Our lease ended on probably the most fun of all a 2016 Chevy Spark (that thing was a golf cart on steroids). I have not been impressed by ANY of the OEM tires. They seem optimized purely for efficiency screw everything else. None lasted more than 20k miles, at 15k with Rivian, most were decent on road noise, mix on grip. I have done a mix of no name/brand name when replacements were needed and no discernible differences. We don’t drive aggressively, averaging 2.5 MPK (obvious will go down with AT tires) on R1S. Long winded way of saying I trust OEM/Name brands the same as less known brands.

it this point with the crapshoot of preferences I am going to go with the Arroyo. Shop is around corner from my house and price is fantastic, plus they have been good to us in the

If I hate it go back to some road tires and keep those only when I go off roading. Either the 20” general so kindly recommend by a few or the recently announced Michelins that fit the 21” wheels that I am keeping (no demands to sell anyhow)

I appreciate all the advice.

 

[ksurfier]

This is actually my 4th electric car … Still have my 2013 Nissan leaf, 2018 Tesla model 3 and the Rivian R1S. Our lease ended on probably the most fun of all a 2016 Chevy Spark (that thing was a golf cart on steroids). I have not been impressed by ANY of the OEM tires. They seem optimized purely for efficiency screw everything else. None lasted more than 20k miles, at 15k with Rivian, most were decent on road noise, mix on grip. I have done a mix of no name/brand name when replacements were needed and no discernible differences. We don’t drive aggressively, averaging 2.5 MPK (obvious will go down with AT tires) on R1S. Long winded way of saying I trust OEM/Name brands the same as less known brands.

it this point with the crapshoot of preferences I am going to go with the Arroyo. Shop is around corner from my house and price is fantastic, plus they have been good to us in the

If I hate it go back to some road tires and keep those only when I go off roading. Either the 20” general so kindly recommend by a few or the recently announced Michelins that fit the 21” wheels that I am keeping (no demands to sell anyhow)

I appreciate all the advice.

Looking forward to your experience, if you keep your expectations low you just might be pleasantly surprised.

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