Rivian 1500w 110v (120v) outlet output not enough? My solution…..

[kizamybute']

The EcoFlow 3600 has new battery technology and is absolutely the best in terms of long term health. I think they said over 3,500 charge cycles and it will still charge to 80%. 6,500 cycles to 50%. But basically, that's roughly 10 years of good use.

I really wish the 3600 would have been an inch and half shorter so I could have gotten it into the gear tunnel.

For home use, you can connect 5 more of them to the main battery for a whopping 21,600 wh (21.6kwh). That should power most homes for at least a day. More if you conserve energy.

The 2000 I got is a good second option for the Rivian and other fairly heavy duty use. It's less than half the price, but provides the necessary surge power the Rivian won't provide.

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[clockwork crane]

I was looking at the AC500+ 4 of the B300s and then some solar panels to charge with. I’ve read a lot of bad customer service reviews though from bluetti and sadly their last response to a Facebook post was not confidence inspiring lol… filled with broken English and grammar errors just screams someone from a third world call center manages their social media account.

One other note about the Bluetti units: they seem to have the same problem I had with the Titan, which is that all of the outlets are on the wide face of the unit, which is awkward to use in the gear tunnel since they face the inside wall and you probably have to use right-angle plugs. And if you use it in the bed, it wastes a bit of space. The Ecoflow units have their outlets on the narrower face, which is nice for the gear tunnel since you can just stick it out the end (assuming it fits in the gear tunnel, which the ecoflow delta pro apparently doesn't), and wastes less space in the bed since you can face the outputs towards the tailgate.

 

[Craigins]

Waited to post this as I wanted to test this setup out for a bit first.

When I was having to choose between the Rivian and F-150 Lightning, one of the appealing factors of the Ford was the fact that it could power your home and the 110 outlets put out 7200w, a HUGE difference compared to the Rivian only putting out 1500w.

As I ultimately decided to keep the Rivian, had to come up with an option to have more power available.

Finally settled on an EcoFlow Delta Max 2016wh battery backup. It has a constant power output of 2400w with a surge capacity of 5000w, which is enough startup power for most things. Some things demand over 2,400w to get started up, but then run at less. Thus the 5000w surge provides the power to get most things started. At least anything I've tried thus far.

Slightly off topic, the Ecoflow website mentions an App.

Can you turn the power on/off remotely via the app?

 

[kizamybute']

Slightly off topic, the Ecoflow website mentions an App.

Can you turn the power on/off remotely via the app?

Technically, yes. You can control it from an app, assuming you get it connected to WIFI. A bit of a pain to do so. If you're using it in one spot with consistent WIFI, then could be useful. Being used in the truck, kind of a useless feature.

 

[Craigins]

Technically, yes. You can control it from an app, assuming you get it connected to WIFI. A bit of a pain to do so. If you're using it in one spot with consistent WIFI, then could be useful. Being used in the truck, kind of a useless feature.

Thanks. I'll need a system like that to power my water pump via the Rivian in case of power outages. I was wondering if I could also use it as a smart outlet during normal operation, so when we leave we could disable the Ecoflow to cut power to the pump. Right now we manually flip a switch to disable, would be nice to have an automated way of disconnecting. I'll do some more investigating.

Just a peace of mind to make sure the pump is turned off while nobody is there. We had to completely redo the first floor about 2 months after getting the place because we left the pump on while we were away and a pipe broke and flooded the entire first floor.

 

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

Waited to post this as I wanted to test this setup out for a bit first.

When I was having to choose between the Rivian and F-150 Lightning, one of the appealing factors of the Ford was the fact that it could power your home and the 110 outlets put out 7200w, a HUGE difference compared to the Rivian only putting out 1500w.

As I ultimately decided to keep the Rivian, had to come up with an option to have more power available.

Finally settled on an EcoFlow Delta Max 2016wh battery backup. It has a constant power output of 2400w with a surge capacity of 5000w, which is enough startup power for most things. Some things demand over 2,400w to get started up, but then run at less. Thus the 5000w surge provides the power to get most things started. At least anything I've tried thus far.

I wanted the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3600wh, but, it was just barely too big to fit in the gear tunnel. Also too tall to fit under the tonneau cover in the bed. It was appealing as it could be charged at a high speed EV charging station in just a few minutes and, could fast charge the Rivian with 3 kwh in an emergency. I could have put it in the frunk, with the floor lid up, but the frunk doesn’t have a 110 outlet. Don’t understand why Rivian didn’t put one in there. Great place for refrigerators and other things.

Ultimately, the gear tunnel was my best option for it. And I didn’t want to use up the majority of the frunk. Also, there’s both, 110v (120v per the truck) and 12v outlets in the gear tunnel.

The EcoFlow Delta can be quickly charged with the 110v (120v) outlet or trickle charged with the 12V outlet. I use the truck outlets for most things, but when I know I have something that has a startup demand over 1500w, I simply plug it into the EcoFlow. Charging it from the truck still allows me to use the stored battery capacity of the truck. Maybe not as efficiently, but, get to use most of it none the less.

On top of that, the truck is ultra-sensitive with what you can plug into it. Many things I try, including something as simple as a lighted extension cord, will “blow the fuse” or “trip the breaker” and shut off power to the 120v outlets. No such problems with the EcoFlow.

I found a "refurbished" one, which was basically new from EcoFlow for around $1,500. At least $1,000 less than an actual new one. Get the same warranty with it. The one I received looked brand new and charges to 100%, so it has no degradation. Assuming it was a customer return that didn’t get used.

The Max 2016w only weighs around 48 lbs, thus is easy to move to the bed if that’s where you want. It’s only 12 inches tall, so this one will fit in the bed under the tonneau cover. The Pro 3600 weighs in around 100 lbs. Many would need help getting it over the height of the frunk and down into the hole under the floor lid, gently. At 18.7 inches tall, it’s about an inch and half too tall to fit through the gear tunnel door. While the interior dimensions of the gear tunnel are larger, no angling or finagling will get it through the door itself. The bed is only 17 inches high with the tonneau cover closed, so it won’t fit there either.

So far, haven’t found anything that demands over 5000w at startup (surge). My RV air conditioner starts up with less than 5000. The generator in my RV is only a 4,000w generator, so the battery actually has higher surge power, thus is a good option to assist in powering an RV. So, while I gave up the luxury of fast charging and to be able to add 3 kwh charge to the truck (both things I’ll likely never do anyway), by not getting the Pro 3600, I saved over $2,000 on the purchase price and, the gear tunnel is a much better place for such an item. Fits well on the left side leaving plenty of open space. It’s only 19 inches in depth, thus still have 45+ inches (3’ 9”) of gear tunnel space open for other things. Plus, it's only 9 1/2 inches wide. Thus still some full width space available for a surfboard, skis or other long narrow items.

Here’s a link to my prior post with the gear tunnel door dimensions.
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/gear-tunnel-dimensions.6016/

EDIT TO ADD 09/07/2022: One other benefit I forgot to mention, the EcoFlow screen shows exactly how much power you are drawing from the plug, both in and out. Very useful for me in identifying which items we use that push the limits of the 1,500w truck capability. I was quite surprised that the majority of what I do use, demands far less than 1,500w. The only time an issue potentially comes up is if we're using three different things at the same time. That's where the surge power up to 5,000 comes in handy.

What you’ve done is awesome! Sounds like Rivian could do the same for $1000 or less. So why not?

?…Ground Control to Major Scaringe…

 

[debitdude]

I wanted the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3600wh, but, it was just barely too big to fit in the gear tunnel. Also too tall to fit under the tonneau cover in the bed. It was appealing as it could be charged at a high speed EV charging station in just a few minutes and, could fast charge the Rivian with 3 kwh in an emergency. I could have put it in the frunk, with the floor lid up, but the frunk doesn’t have a 110 outlet. Don’t understand why Rivian didn’t put one in there. Great place for refrigerators and other things.

Ultimately, the gear tunnel was my best option for it. And I didn’t want to use up the majority of the frunk. Also, there’s both, 110v (120v per the truck) and 12v outlets in the gear tunnel.

Are you sure the Delta Pro is too tall for the bed with the Tonneau cover shut? The delta Pro is 16.4 inches tall and it says the floor to the Tonneau is 17.1 inches.

 

[clockwork crane]

Are you sure the Delta Pro is too tall for the bed with the Tonneau cover shut? The delta Pro is 16.4 inches tall and it says the floor to the Tonneau is 17.1 inches.

I second this. The Delta Pro should fit, just barely. I did the same measurement when I was considering an EcoFlow.

The only reason I went with a different unit is because the Delta Pro is 100 lbs, so it would be really difficult for me to move it in and out of the truck bed.

 

[debitdude]

I second this. The Delta Pro should fit, just barely. I did the same measurement when I was considering an EcoFlow.

The only reason I went with a different unit is because the Delta Pro is 100 lbs, so it would be really difficult for me to move it in and out of the truck bed.

What did you go with?

 

[clockwork crane]

What did you go with?

I have a couple, actually: a PointZero Titan (with two batteries, the older NMC type) and an Anker Powerhouse 767 (which is now called an Anker Solix F2000). The older Titan isn't a great fit. The Anker is more ergonomic and easy to maneuver, but it's still not quite ideal because the plugs are on the side, not the front face.

I've had better luck with the Anker in practice; I've used it to power a small campsite, and a small Airstream trailer, while recharging it from the truck. If I could get something that's lighter like the Anker but has all of the plugs on the front face like the Delta Pro, that would be ideal. A Yoshino could be really good, but they're expensive, and I can't really justify buying a third unit. ?

 

[kizamybute']

Are you sure the Delta Pro is too tall for the bed with the Tonneau cover shut? The delta Pro is 16.4 inches tall and it says the floor to the Tonneau is 17.1 inches.

It is 25+ inches tall. 16.4 inches depth and 11+ inches wide. Yes, too tall to fit under the tonneau cover. This is for the 3600 EcoFlow. The next size down fits in the gear tunnel, but isn't the greatest option.

 

[debitdude]

It is 25+ inches tall. 16.4 inches depth and 11+ inches wide. Yes, too tall to fit under the tonneau cover. This is for the 3600 EcoFlow. The next size down fits in the gear tunnel, but isn't the greatest option.

Just so you know I have one, it is 16 in tall. It is 25 in wide. It should fit under the cover.

Are you running your A/C from your Delta 2 max? Are they 20amp or 15amp plugs? I do like the idea of the lighter unit. I have an 8000btu that the 1500 watt inverter from the Rivian should run, but it is on the same circuit as the 120v fridge in my camper and when the compressor cycles it gets hung up sometime. I think the Max would be perfect to alleviate this on a short overnight stay at a Cracker Barrell. The Delta Pro will be sued when boondocking for longer periods.

Great original write up also.

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