Rivian knows when you use an aftermarket NACS adapter?

[Chewy734]

Now, if only we had fast wireless charging, all this would be moot. I’m sure there will be other practical problems though in that case.

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[Trandall]

Any youtubers done a teardown of the A2Z adapter and an "official" Ford or Rvian adapter? Seems like this could settle this debate. It's quite possible the A2Z adapter is electromechanically superior to the OEM adapters. Also it should be easy to determine if the charger or the vehicle would have any way of knowing what if any adapters are being used, my understanding is the adapters are purely passive "jumpers" between NACS connector pins and CCS socket pins.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I call BS. Rivian can't void the battery warranty for using an aftermarket adapter unless they can prove conclusively that the adapter cause a failure. Even then they can't totally void the warranty they could just refuse to cover that repair.

The only way Rivian can know if your using one is to check your account for Tesla billing and then check order history to see if they shipped you their official adapter.

Once UL2252 comes this will be a non issue. Lectron is already building their adapters to meet the new upcoming standard.

 

[Dustyshades]

If Rivian cared, it would certainly be easy for them to mine the data and see who is charging through to Tesla and whether or not they've received an official Rivian adapter. It won't work for too long because as soon as there are a couple thousand adapters out there how are they to say that you didn't use one of theirs? I guess there could be serial numbers or something passed from the Tesla SC to Rivian...

what about someone like me that’s using the same official adapter but Ford sent it to me instead of Rivian?

 

[Cycliste]

Any youtubers done a teardown of the A2Z adapter and an "official" Ford or Rvian adapter? Seems like this could settle this debate. It's quite possible the A2Z adapter is electromechanically superior to the OEM adapters. Also it should be easy to determine if the charger or the vehicle would have any way of knowing what if any adapters are being used, my understanding is the adapters are purely passive "jumpers" between NACS connector pins and CCS socket pins.

From https://a2zevshop.com/pages/the-typhoon-plug-nacs-to-ccs1-adapter-updates-information

Basics : The NACS-CCS1 Typhoon Plug is 100% passive and has no electronics. L1 and L2 pins are crossed between the NACS and CCS1 end. NACS' ground goes directly to J1772's ground. NACS' Control Contact pin goes to J1772's Control Contact pin and the same applies to the Control Proximity pins. The adapter is quite straightforward and makes a simple conversion of plugs.

This adapter is simply the opposite of the CCS1 to NACS adapter. The charging station and vehicle are in charge of everything else regarding the charging process.

Temperature sensor : The temperature sensor needs no power. It's a sensor switch connected to PP and PE, when it senses a temperature over 85ºC it switches off and by the same occasion stops communication between PP and PE. The charging process then stops, until it cools down.

 

[R1 EVY]

I used my A2Z adapter a couple of weekends ago as a trial to see if the adapter worked and did not get any email warnings from Rivian. There are quite a number of others on this forum that have used a non-Rivian provided NACS adapter, and from I have seen no one else has reported getting an email from Rivian.

If you saw it on Facebook, most probably it is bull$hit.

I too have used mine and so have people who are close to Rivian. Not saying this is made up, but...

 

[R1 EVY]

If Rivian cared, it would certainly be easy for them to mine the data and see who is charging through to Tesla and whether or not they've received an official Rivian adapter. It won't work for too long because as soon as there are a couple thousand adapters out there how are they to say that you didn't use one of theirs? I guess there could be serial numbers or something passed from the Tesla SC to Rivian...

One could easily borrow an adapter from another owner and use it. Rivian wouldn't know. The adapters are dumb and passive (no offense to the accessories demo).

 

[WorldComposting]

If Rivian really, really don’t want you to use 3rd party adapters, they could refuse the connection (via the Rivian vehicle) at any Tesla Supercharger that requires an adapter until they ship the official adapter out to you

I am actually somewhat surprised they haven't done this....

The issue with that is what if your neighbor has a Rivian and lets you borrow the adaptor they received from Rivian for a trip? Then you can't use it which would create a horrible experience for little to no gain.

 

[zefram47]

Rivian will absolutely know you used a Tesla SC before they sent you an adapter. It's easier for them if you don't go through the Tesla app for billing since the billing would then run through Rivian and they clearly know whether or not your vehicle's VIN was sent an adapter yet. If you activate through the Tesla app then they would have to look at charging status and the location...that their API already keeps track of. Wouldn't be that difficult for them to geofence all the known SCs that work and track charger usage. That said, there are also a number of Magic Dock sites around so they'd have to remove those since anyone with a CCS car can use those sites, and I've tested mine at one billed through Rivian.

 

[Kidentist]

Rivian will absolutely know you used a Tesla SC before they sent you an adapter. It's easier for them if you don't go through the Tesla app for billing since the billing would then run through Rivian and they clearly know whether or not your vehicle's VIN was sent an adapter yet. If you activate through the Tesla app then they would have to look at charging status and the location...that their API already keeps track of. Wouldn't be that difficult for them to geofence all the known SCs that work and track charger usage. That said, there are also a number of Magic Dock sites around so they'd have to remove though since anyone with a CCS car can use those sites, and I've tested mine at one billed through Rivian.

Good point !!!

 

[Schroederhc]

I've been using my A2Z with my Lightning for several months. No issues. It's BS, close the thread.

 

[Riviot]

Rivian will absolutely know you used a Tesla SC before they sent you an adapter. It's easier for them if you don't go through the Tesla app for billing since the billing would then run through Rivian and they clearly know whether or not your vehicle's VIN was sent an adapter yet. If you activate through the Tesla app then they would have to look at charging status and the location...that their API already keeps track of. Wouldn't be that difficult for them to geofence all the known SCs that work and track charger usage. That said, there are also a number of Magic Dock sites around so they'd have to remove those since anyone with a CCS car can use those sites, and I've tested mine at one billed through Rivian.

What about borrowing Rivian adapters? Owning multiple Rivians? Buying one for $600 on eBay?

 

[zefram47]

What about borrowing Rivian adapters? Owning multiple Rivians? Buying one for $600 on eBay?

Obviously they couldn't know that...but if something happened it would be on you to prove it.

 

[godfodder0901]

Obviously they couldn't know that...but if something happened it would be on you to prove it.

No, it would be on Rivian to prove it caused an issue.

 

[R1Tom]

No, it would be on Rivian to prove it caused an issue.

Sure....and when the deny warranty coverage it is on you to pay the legal fees to pursue your warranty covererage(likely paid by them if you win). And if the Tesla SC fries while connected to it...and Telsa tells you you owe them six figures worth of equipment.....it is on you to pay to defend that claim.

Is the risk great.....not in my non-professional opinion....but does it exist.....yes....again in my non-professional opinion.

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