Entire Tesla Supercharger team fired (Update: Elon Musk says supercharger network growth will continue). ** ⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS **

[RivianRunner]

Don't worry Musk will back track and start again. He always does this garbage, a terrible leader at this point in time.

No, Tesla's results speak for themselves, it's just that people who want to slow down electrification are trying to create the narrative that the slowdown in auto sales was Elon's doing. The problem is high-interest rates and falling auto prices. Auto sales have long been cyclic, as well as strongly seasonal, and Q1 is the weakest quarter. None of this had anything to do with Elon.

Elon is more effective at driving the industry to pure electric than anyone else, and they want to stop him. Other automakers don't like the way he's driving down the cost of entry to EVs, eating into their profitable gas sales while they are too inefficient at manufacturing to compete.

Yes, the industry is in a difficult time, no, it's not Elon's fault. The industry had become stagnant and inefficient, it's a necessary reboot so consumers can afford to go electric. Otherwise EVs will stay a niche product as America falls behind China, Korea, and even Japan, and dies a slow death. We need more leaders like Elon to bring us better products at ever lower prices.

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[Redline]

No, Tesla's results speak for themselves, it's just that people who want to slow down electrification are trying to create the narrative that the slowdown in auto sales was Elon's doing. The problem is high-interest rates and falling auto prices. Auto sales have long been cyclic, as well as strongly seasonal, and Q1 is the weakest quarter. None of this had anything to do with Elon.

Elon is more effective at driving the industry to pure electric than anyone else, and they want to stop him. Other automakers don't like the way he's driving down the cost of entry to EVs, eating into their profitable gas sales while they are too inefficient at manufacturing to compete.

Yes, the industry is in a difficult time, no, it's not Elon's fault. The industry had become stagnant and inefficient, it's a necessary reboot so consumers can afford to go electric. Otherwise EVs will stay a niche product as America falls behind China, Korea, and even Japan, and dies a slow death. We need more leaders like Elon to bring us better products at ever lower prices.

Elon is ABSOLUTELY part of the reason for the recent Tesla issues.

 

[RivianRunner]

SURPRISE!

Tried to tell y'all he's a madman and Tesla dominating the charging standard was going to be a disaster.

Tesla dominated the NACS charging standard before it was the official charging standard. Letting others onto Tesla's network is not going to change anything except give non-Tesla owners more charging options. They can take them or leave them.

 

[Hillbilly]

Silver R1T soon. This Tesla Supercharger fiasco has me concerned. Just traded in my F150 Powerboost Hybrid I used for towing. I hope it was not a mistake.

I tow a lot. Extended towing just isn't practical or worthwhile with an EV. Other than a few pull through charging stations, Rivian is the only company who's doing the Lord's work and putting in a trailer spot for their stations. We're quite a ways away from any long distance towing with batteries making a lot of sense.

For local stuff (for me that's in-town or weekend trip to camp in the north Georgia mountains) it's awesome. Tow to your campsite or boat and then just plug everything in or supercharge after dropping your trailer.

 

[RivianRunner]

Elon is ABSOLUTELY part of the reason for the recent Tesla issues.

What issues specifically are you talking about? Tesla is selling a lot of cars, and at margins above most legacy automakers realize on their ICE vehicle sales.

Never mistake a re-valuation of the stock price as "Tesla issues". As the automarket strengthens, Tesla will continue their unprecedented growth that is driving EV adoption and the decline of ICE sales. And that last part is why so many people want to get rid of Elon. His vision and leadership is their problem.

The truth is seen the best when you avoid all the noise and manufactured narratives and look at the actual results. Tesla has grown faster than any other auto company, including during the most recent year, and will shortly continue that breath-taking growth. That's why those who sell oil and gas, and those who can't compete with his autos, want to use this little bump in the road to remove him.

Only one auto company in the world had the best-selling car in the world in the most recent year, and that company was Tesla, with Model Y. That's what Elon's leadership resulted in, the best selling car in the world. And, for the first time ever, it was an EV.

You don't exactly hear the mainstream media trumpeting this great American accomplishment.

 

[RivianRunner]

Ok, so take a look at the supercharger network as it stood 24hrs ago. The thing that basically fixed the problem of long distance EV travel, a major hurdle to EV adoption.....

The people that made that happen, and were continuing to make it happen, are gone. Just gone. So hell yeah it's going to affect future rollout. All we can hope is that the repairs teams are still around. But that could be a major issue if they can't get dispatched easily.

The Supercharger network hasn't changed. The only thing that will change is who will be building out the third phase of the network expansion. What people forget is that efficiency is not only important in manufacturing, but in every aspect of the company. Ultimately, EV drivers pay for every dollar spent building out the network, and the less it costs to expand it, the more that can be built, and the more effectively EVs can compete against legacy gas cars. Remember, the goal is to replace every ICE vehicle out there, in a way that makes economic good sense.

I noticed Tesla had some issues building out the second phase expansion of the network in the last couple of years. I believe the Supercharger teams had been infiltrated by some actors that wanted to create slower, more expensive growth. When Elon sees there is a problem with the mission, he takes decisive action. Those who went along with the bad actors have to go too. You cannot change the world with bumbling, mediocre bureaucracy.

 

[lefkonj]

No, Tesla's results speak for themselves, it's just that people who want to slow down electrification are trying to create the narrative that the slowdown in auto sales was Elon's doing. The problem is high-interest rates and falling auto prices. Auto sales have long been cyclic, as well as strongly seasonal, and Q1 is the weakest quarter. None of this had anything to do with Elon.

Elon is more effective at driving the industry to pure electric than anyone else, and they want to stop him. Other automakers don't like the way he's driving down the cost of entry to EVs, eating into their profitable gas sales while they are too inefficient at manufacturing to compete.

Yes, the industry is in a difficult time, no, it's not Elon's fault. The industry had become stagnant and inefficient, it's a necessary reboot so consumers can afford to go electric. Otherwise EVs will stay a niche product as America falls behind China, Korea, and even Japan, and dies a slow death. We need more leaders like Elon to bring us better products at ever lower prices.

I don't think this has anything to do with people not wanting EVs. This is Elon worrying that the sluggish Tesla sales will continue. I would buy a Rivian over any Tesla, a Hyundai/Kia on the low end side, and the Germans are making amazing EVs. The Plaid was a rocket but let's be honest it isn't a 100k vehicle, and really not a quality product for 80k. The Taycan kills it there and the BMWs are great in that price range. While I may not love the MB style they are luxury vehicles.

 

[RivianRunner]

Sure they can make chargers still but take a good look at the supercharger map, it’s not going to change much from now on.

I can see you've got some learnings in your future! The expansion of the Supercharger Network in 2025 and 2026 will make your head spin. It will happen with capital costs per charger that are lower than ever.

 

[Honey]

I hope rivian picks up the baton and aggressively builds thier network

 

[Redline]

I can see you've got some learnings in your future! The expansion of the Supercharger Network in 2025 and 2026 will make your head spin. It will happen with capital costs per charger that are lower than ever.

 

[a76marine]

More chargers will get installed. ?

https://www.bp.com/en_us/united-sta...ollar-order-of-tesla-ultra-fast-chargers.html

Can confirm, my local Thorntons just announced they'll have Tesla Superchargers installed by next year as part of this BP Pulse intiative.

 

[RivianRunner]

Exactly. EV sales will get sta and not increase. Yet more and more EVs will be sold and use the same amount of chargers. We need thousands of more chargers every year and Elon just put a dent in that. So those on the fence will buy an ICE instead of an EV. Charging is one of the most cited reason for people not getting an EV.

No. Most manufacturers aren't building any significant fast charging infrastructure. Elon said they will continue adding stalls to handle increased demand. Blaming the company building the most fast-charging infrastructure is silly in the extreme.

If all EV makers were building fast charging like Tesla is, we would have a glut of fast chargers. Why do people think Tesla should fund the infrastructure for the entire industry? It's not like GM, Ford, Volvo, Stellantis, Toyota, etc. don't have billions of dollars at their disposal, yet only one company is driving EV infrastructure forward.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I believe the Supercharger teams had been infiltrated by some actors that wanted to create slower,

^ Elon

 

[RivianRunner]

I hope rivian picks up the baton and aggressively builds thier network

It's all about capital efficiency, and that's what the recent Supercharger restructuring is about. Rivian cannot expand their fast-charging network at a rapid rate until they get the cost to install new stations down.

 

[emoore]

No. Most manufacturers aren't building any significant fast charging infrastructure. Elon said they will continue adding stalls to handle increased demand. Blaming the company building the most fast-charging infrastructure is silly in the extreme.

If all EV makers were building fast charging like Tesla is, we would have a glut of fast chargers. Why do people think Tesla should fund the infrastructure for the entire industry? It's not like GM, Ford, Volvo, Stellantis, Toyota, etc. don't have billions of dollars at their disposal, yet only one company is driving EV infrastructure forward.

Then we will just have to wait. Doesn't sound like Tesla is going to be expanding their network much which is their choice. Hopefully they don't back out of all the NEVI locations that they were selected for. I just think this goes against Tesla's stated mission; to increase EVs.

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