Can we stop asking for CarPlay now? "The next generation of Apple CarPlay will take over all of the screens, sensors and gauges in a car..."

[djsider2]

Frankly, we need something that is Carplay/AA-like. The phone as center of universe is highly consumer friendly. If there were another way to get your phone connectivity, apps, music, etc to be able to integrate with screens in the car, then I would be fine asking for those too. Perhaps this should allow other companies to also have "car-phone" integration apps.

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[RandomMcRandomFace]

I don't think you can rely on how CarPlay works now to contradict what was included in the complaint (which I'd guess is based on statements provided to the DOJ by car manufacturers).

I don’t follow why any of this matters - Apple doesn’t break down your door and force CarPlay on you or any iphone owning consumer (including Rivian drivers). Further, it is a near certainty that taking over all screens would not be required to use CarPlay (as that would render countless cars incompatible) and if it were, the car companies could just say no. Easy. GM said no to the current version of CarPlay and oddly, iPhones still work (and consumers got LESS choice - odd how that works). Nothing is forced - this is like saying to use CarPlay now it takes over a screen and so it is bad (yes, that’s the product and the feature).

And of course, I still want Carplay. I would be delighted if it took over all the screens. Sounds great. Unsure why that’s a negative. And if it turns out I didn’t like it, I would um, just not use it.

 

[jplblue]

I don’t follow why any of this matters - Apple doesn’t break down your door and force CarPlay on you or any iphone owning consumer (including Rivian drivers).

Antitrust violation doesn't require that. Just needs Apple to abuse its market power to stifle competition.

Further, it is a near certainty that taking over all screens would not be required to use CarPlay (as that would render countless cars incompatible)

This is counterfactual to the allegations, and it'll be something that will play out in court.

and if it were, the car companies could just say no.

Correct -- which is what Rivian/GM elected to do.

And of course, I still want Carplay. I would be delighted if it took over all the screens. Sounds great. Unsure why that’s a negative. And if it turns out I didn’t like it, I would um, just not use it.

Well, the argument is that it's anticompetitive, not that consumers wouldn't like it in the short-term. You're assuming is that choice will always be there.

 

[Rividiculous]

I’m an Apple user. I think they are less bad than Google. That said, while I would like to be able to stream my Apple Music, I don’t care about CarPlay. I want my car software to be controlled by the manufacturer of the car.

See the irony? Apple became great by controlling both the hardware and software. They now want to get their software on other’s hardware.

Maybe Apple should build its own car! Oh, wait….um…

 

[srnyoung]

But is it anti-competitive behavior? Is the expectation that Apple has to provide IMessage Apps for every phone manufacturer and also share their encryption protocol?

No, but they don't have any reason to punish non-iPhone users. THAT is anti-competitive. For a long time I just assumed iPhone cameras are crap because the pics and vids I get from y'all look like they came from a flip-phone in the 90s.

In my view this was innovation by Apple, before IMessage the only SMS were stupid text messages that cost was set by the phone companies, and were often exorbitant relative to the amount of data they used.

And yet, they've actively chosen to keep their walled garden private even though RCS has almost completely replaced SMS for the other 60-70% of short message users that aren't on iPhones.
For that reason, I would not accept their takeover of all the screens in my T.

 

[RandomMcRandomFace]

Antitrust violation doesn't require that. Just needs Apple to abuse its market power to stifle competition.

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Hold on - the purpose of this thread was to debate anti-trust law? I assumed it was to discuss the merits of Rivian offering CarPlay and how now they shouldn’t.

I was merely pointing out that even if Apple requires ALL screens to be controlled (which I doubt and claims made in legal filings are wrong all of the time) Rivian should still offer it.

And GM’s decision has been met with derision from consumers. In the marketplace. I am very curious how Apple is going to take that choice away . . .

 

[Chris TX]

Thank you! If you want AA/CarPlay, get a damn Kia. Rivian is a luxury vehicle company and actually cares about the UI/UX in the vehicle and isn't lazily pushing a quality experience onto PHONE developers!

 

[Blueassassin]

They will probably not include a charging cable as well.

 

[gregtay]

I mean reading what I had of this complaint against I was literally laughing out loud.

“For example, if an iPhone user messages a non-iPhone user in Apple messages, the text appears not only as a green bubble, but incorporates limited functionality,” Garland added. “The conversation is not encrypted. Videos are pixelated and grainy, and users cannot edit messages or see typing indicators. As a result, iPhone users perceive rival smartphones as being lower quality because the experience of messaging friends and family who do not own iPhones is worse.”

The DOJ is also focusing on Apple’s smartwatch, Apple Watch, saying the company designed it to only work with iPhones, and not Android devices. The company’s decision means that “users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones,” according to the complaint.

In this case of Carplay, I think that wording is misleading. I am sure Apple said the next version 'could' do those things not 'will' do those things.

I believe the agreements Apple had with automakers REQUIRE then to allow Apple to take over the screens (or you don't get Carplay). This is why GM is revolting against Apple.

 

[jjswan33]

No, but they don't have any reason to punish non-iPhone users. THAT is anti-competitive. For a long time I just assumed iPhone cameras are crap because the pics and vids I get from y'all look like they came from a flip-phone in the 90s.

And yet, they've actively chosen to keep their walled garden private even though RCS has almost completely replaced SMS for the other 60-70% of short message users that aren't on iPhones.
For that reason, I would not accept their takeover of all the screens in my T.

Do customers actual make purchase decisions considering if a device uses IMessage vs RCS. Do they even really have a monopoly of the smartphone market?

I just don't buy most of what I have read about this complaint. I continue to buy Apple products just because I want everything to work well together, this suit seems to punish Apple for achieving that to the benefit of their customers.

 

[jjswan33]

I believe the agreements Apple had with automakers REQUIRE then to allow Apple to take over the screens (or you don't get Carplay). This is why GM is revolting against Apple.

GM is revolting against Apple because they think they can make money selling subscriptions and customer data. Most likely they will fail to produce a good software stack and the customer loses.

 

[Thedude]

It's one of the stupid things that doesn't translate from an apple phone to others. Just sends messages like that with no clear context.

It took me a long time as an Android user to figure out why I would get stupid messages like that in group chats. Now I’m not a poor and I have an iPhone so it’s all good I guess.

 

[IGR]

Say what you want, but to me the next gen of Rivian UI is inspired by Apple UX

"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

 

[Jiji]

Thank you! If you want AA/CarPlay, get a damn Kia. Rivian is a luxury vehicle company and actually cares about the UI/UX in the vehicle and isn't lazily pushing a quality experience onto PHONE developers!

And Porsche and Aston Martin aren’t? They are the first two announced CarPlay 2.0 marques.

No, CarPlay 2.0 Won't Be Backwards-Compatible

 

[Chris TX]

And Porsche and Aston Martin aren’t? They are the first two announced CarPlay 2.0 marques.

No, CarPlay 2.0 Won't Be Backwards-Compatible

AM and Porsche are quite lazy when it comes to UI/UX in their vehicles. They spend their development dollars on engines, suspension, bodywork, and other silly things. Low volume, high margin, they don't care.

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