Experience shopping for an EV9 vs R1S - Update

[RivAW]

What risk are you taking on the $1000 - it's 100% refundable. Is it inconvenient, yes. Is it a risk, no.

This is sort of true…because you don’t get the trade offer until the very end, at which point you’ve confirmed configuration and locked in your deposit….that said, I’m not sure where OP thinks he is buying a new EV9 at MSRP

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[RivAW]

The range argument is silly unless you are in the small percentage of people who travel close to the max (~280ish) daily. The overwhelming majority of people travel less than 100 miles total each day and can plug in overnight. For occasional road trips, the current range aligns nicely with the need for food, bathroom and rest stops.

 

[White Shadow]

The range argument is silly unless you are in the small percentage of people who travel close to the max (~280ish) daily. The overwhelming majority of people travel less than 100 miles total each day and can plug in overnight. For occasional road trips, the current range aligns nicely with the need for food, bathroom and rest stops.

Yet the majority of people claim that range is one of the biggest factors that prevent them from buying an EV. That and long charging times.

Look, I'd agree with you for people who use their vehicles for short commutes to work or to the grocery store, but beyond that range is a real concern for lots of people. Just consider how much range is lost driving in bad weather, cold weather, headwinds, rain, etc... Your 280 mile range might be half that. And that's why I think a minimum of 400+ mile ranges should be standard for all EVs. That way, you'll always have at least 200 miles of range in any situation and quite a bit more in good conditions.

 

[White Shadow]

Can you help me understand why somone doesn't need something?

I have a better idea. Why don't you help me understand why someone does. Let's take my example that I posted early. Tell me why someone NEEDS a 2,000 HP Rimac Nivera on public streets. What's the use case that anyone would need a vehicle like that?

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

I have a better idea. Why don't you help me understand why someone does. Let's take my example that I posted early. Tell me why someone NEEDS a 2,000 HP Rimac Nivera on public streets. What's the use case that anyone would need a vehicle like that?

You can't answer the question, hence why, I asked it.....moving on now.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

Kia will sell quite a bit of the EV9, especially once local dealers settle in on a pricing strategy that works, given the current market. The EV9 appeals to the Telluride owner customer, and we know there are quite a few of those. It also works best for people who appreciate a dealer-type experience, for whatever that is worth.

 

[TollKeeper]

I have a better idea. Why don't you help me understand why someone does. Let's take my example that I posted early. Tell me why someone NEEDS a 2,000 HP Rimac Nivera on public streets. What's the use case that anyone would need a vehicle like that?

I think the better question is, why is what I own any of your (insert pejorative word here) business?

I, or anyone else, dont need to justify what we own (wanted or needed) to anyone else.

But as @Mark_AZR1T said.. Moving on now.

 

[White Shadow]

You can't answer the question, hence why, I asked it.....moving on now.

Oh, I can answer the quesiton, but I wanted to ask you the same, but opposite quesiton. And I guess you actually can't answer my question, huh?

So since you can't answer my question, I'll answer yours: The reason nobody NEEDS an EV (or any vehicle for that matter) with, let's just say 835 hp and 908 lb-ft of torque is that it's not necessary for a vehicle to traverse any of our roads. There's just simple no use case where it's a mandatory requirement. I can see why someone would WANT 835 hp and 908 lb-ft of torque, but need it? Nope. It's not needed.

There's your simple lesson on wants vs needs. I can do a deeper dive if you still don't understand.

Now go ahead and do your best to answer my question. I'll post it again here:

Tell me why someone NEEDS a 2,000 HP Rimac Nivera on public streets. What's the use case that anyone would need a vehicle like that?

 

[White Shadow]

I think the better question is, why is what I own any of your (insert pejorative word here) business?

I, or anyone else, dont need to justify what we own (wanted or needed) to anyone else.

But as @Mark_AZR1T said.. Moving on now.

Thanks for chiming in for a question that wasn't asked of you. And you're right...you don't need to justify anything that you want or need. I never made that claim. I simply made a comment that nobody NEEDS something and that somehow got you all triggered. But yeah, go ahead and move on.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Test drove an EV9 so I could actually contribute my opinion on it. Dealer didn't have a GT-Line to drive but I'm not sure how different it would really be for accelerating in a non-0-60 situation. The Land AWD is the same powertrain as far as I can tell.

Passing power felt very anemic compared to my other EVs. Going from a quick vehicle into one that you need a lot more space to pass on two lane roads isn't something I'm interested in. It was boaty and you could really feel the weight of it when needing to steer fast. For just sitting at the speed limit on straight highway, it did feel nice overall though, so I could see how someone who isn't an aggressive driver would like it.

Captain's chairs are a nice feature that I think Rivian should consider adding for the R1S for folks that regularly fill the seats. The power footrest on seats in the second row are an interesting idea. Didn't sit in the second or third rows at all.

Hate the shifter and the power button. Too easy to forget to turn the car off when the other vehicles from three different EV manufacturers in my driveway are get-in-and-go. Interior materials didn't feel as nice as I expected, and I don't like the weird capacitive touch buttons on the dash. Overall it just felt like there was too much going on in the driver's cockpit. Maybe I wasn't holding the key fob right but it was too easy to hit buttons on both sides of it.

Not as exciting to drive as anything I already have. Maybe the upcoming GT could change my mind.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

Oh, I can answer the quesiton, but I wanted to ask you the same, but opposite quesiton. And I guess you actually can't answer my question, huh?

So since you can't answer my question, I'll answer yours: The reason nobody NEEDS an EV (or any vehicle for that matter) with, let's just say 835 hp and 908 lb-ft of torque is that it's not necessary for a vehicle to traverse any of our roads. There's just simple no use case where it's a mandatory requirement. I can see why someone would WANT 835 hp and 908 lb-ft of torque, but need it? Nope. It's not needed.

There's your simple lesson on wants vs needs. I can do a deeper dive if you still don't understand.

Now go ahead and do your best to answer my question. I'll post it again here:

Tell me why someone NEEDS a 2,000 HP Rimac Nivera on public streets. What's the use case that anyone would need a vehicle like that?

Your perception of 'need' is ethically based, which infers what someone needs for a good life. This is fine for you, but 'need' is fundamentally philosophical and has to do with so much more than your ethics based answer.

It isn't up to you how an individual processes needs, because everyone is unique and how individuals perceive and prioritize their needs, and how fulfilling those needs influences their well-being and personal happiness. If a 2,000 HP Nivera brings fulfillment and happiness to someone, just as buying flowers for my wife, brings joy and happiness to her, then yes, that is a need. Need is philosophical and this is where you went dead-wrong.

On a side note, you don't need to bully me with petty statements, "if you still don't understand". Who says things like that? That's shallow and to return your volley, we could say, you should change your screen name to White Shallow....

Hope that helps you....

 

[Spaceball1]

This is sort of true…because you don’t get the trade offer until the very end, at which point you’ve confirmed configuration and locked in your deposit….that said, I’m not sure where OP thinks he is buying a new EV9 at MSRP

He’s already said he has a quote for under MSRP from the local dealer. I know him personally and trust his word. Sure some are still trying to mark them up but some that are sane realize the demand has waned.

They aren’t selling as well as Kia hoped. Dealers in northern CO are getting them from dealers in WY that don’t want them (Kyle Conner has some videos about this).

 

[Herb]

Yet the majority of people claim that range is one of the biggest factors that prevent them from buying an EV. That and long charging times.

Look, I'd agree with you for people who use their vehicles for short commutes to work or to the grocery store, but beyond that range is a real concern for lots of people. Just consider how much range is lost driving in bad weather, cold weather, headwinds, rain, etc... Your 280 mile range might be half that. And that's why I think a minimum of 400+ mile ranges should be standard for all EVs. That way, you'll always have at least 200 miles of range in any situation and quite a bit more in good conditions.

I just completed a 900 mile round trip, charge once for 30 min at half way point (abt 200m) destination hotel had charger (400m), charged again half way point on return leg. Easy - even in a relative charging desert. Ever since I actually drive an EV, my prior range anxiety has vanished.

But back to the thread subject. These vehicles are too different to compare. If you never leave the road you might in fact be better off with the Kia. The R1 platform is extremely rugged and capable while the Kia will leave you stranded on doomsday. R1 was not designed to be the most affordable option...

 

[White Shadow]

I just completed a 900 mile round trip, charge once for 30 min at half way point (abt 200m) destination hotel had charger (400m), charged again half way point on return leg. Easy - even in a relative charging desert. Ever since I actually drive an EV, my prior range anxiety has vanished.

But back to the thread subject. These vehicles are too different to compare. If you never leave the road you might in fact be better off with the Kia. The R1 platform is extremely rugged and capable while the Kia will leave you stranded on doomsday. R1 was not designed to be the most affordable option...

I mostly agree with you. Just keep in mind that most people who buy these vehicles (both the Kia and the R1) aren't ever taking them off the pavement. It's more of an image thing than anything else. The idea of having the ability to drive up a rocky mountain trail is appealing, even if they never intend to do so.

 

[NineElectrics]

You already got it - Dual Motor.

In the winter, the dual max pack nets me about 30 miles over the quad. In the summer, maybe it will be 50 miles.

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