Interesting, just published Rolling Stone article about the Tesla Cybertruck...

[jebinc]

I agree that it's ugly, but that's personal preference/opinion.

What I disagree with is that it has to be like all other cars. What if this new way of engineering cars with exoskeletons is far safer in the long run? Heck if we take any modern car vs one from the 70s we know who is gonna lose that battle. Should be roll back safety advancements to the 70s? I take issue with people critiquing advancements in technology without there being any data to support their claims. By that logic let's remove semi trucks, armored vans etc and let's just go back to horse and carriage. This really has nothing to do with Tesla, it's about people's refusal to embrace change especially when that change comes from someone they don't like.

I do miss the “road apples ? ”…. ?

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[Rivian312]

It's interesting to me how many forums actually take the CT seriously. IMHO it's a gimmick, a bad joke. It's at best, the 21st century Delorean and at worst (and more likely) the 21st century H2.

 

[jebinc]

It's interesting to me how many forums actually take the CT seriously. IMHO it's a gimmick, a bad joke. It's at best, the 21st century Delorean and at worst (and more likely) the 21st century H3.

I suspect, after the initial influencer/shill/fan-boy/“doomsday prepper”/manly compensation demand is satisfied, and then after the initial regular customer deliveries, we will see a lot of unhappy owner posts. Then, we will see demand tank sooner than it did with the Model X and Plaid. At the end of the day, it will either die, be redone into a more traditional functional looking truck, or remain a low volume model, like the S/X lines. I do not see this becoming the next Model Y.

To each. ?

 

[kylealden]

They, presumably, make the argument that it's unsafe because it weighs over 6k lbs and could harm other motorists. I guess us Rivian owners must be driving extremely dangerous vehicles at over 7k lbs ?.

I mean, we are. And so are other large vehicle owners. We can argue about the tradeoffs and individual liberties, but the statistics are clear. We're more likely to kill pedestrians and other motorists than lighter trucks and vehicles with lower hoods.

I think on the merits, Rivians are safer than many other similarly-sized vehicles (in terms of technology, design factors, advanced safety features, etc.) - but I'd still rather be hit by a Corolla, and so would you.

It's not ridiculous for folks to point that out and want to have a debate about the appropriate public policy posture for this stuff, even if we like our trucks.

(That said - the Cybertruck also being a rolling sharps hazard feels like a special factor worth calling out.)

 

[jebinc]

I mean, we are. And so are other large vehicle owners. We can argue about the tradeoffs and individual liberties, but the statistics are clear. We're more likely to kill pedestrians and other motorists than lighter trucks and vehicles with lower hoods.

I think on the merits, Rivians are safer than many other similarly-sized vehicles (in terms of technology, design factors, advanced safety features, etc.) - but I'd still rather be hit by a Corolla, and so would you.

It's not ridiculous for folks to point that out and want to have a debate about the appropriate public policy posture for this stuff, even if we like our trucks.

(That said - the Cybertruck also being a rolling sharps hazard feels like a special factor worth calling out.)

It kind of should ship with a “sharps” safety bucket! ?

 

[mkhuffman]

Well, all this criticism of the CT makes me more likely to buy one. Because the criticism is ridiculous. "Sharp edges"? Seriously? There are no sharp edges on other vehicles? Ridiculous.

Based on crash test video I have seen, the CT may be one of the safest vehicles ever to be inside. Isn't that what we want? Ridiculous.

 

[jebinc]

Well, all this criticism of the CT makes me more likely to buy one. Because the criticism is ridiculous. "Sharp edges"? Seriously? There are no sharp edges on other vehicles? Ridiculous.

Based on crash test video I have seen, the CT may be one of the safest vehicles ever to be inside. Isn't that what we want? Ridiculous.

To each! ?

 

[Rivdog]

It does seem a little odd that it’s only the CT that’s being pointed out. As others have posted, heavier vehicles are going to cause greater damage than a lighter vehicle. Seems pretty simple. Lots of big trucks and SUVs are now between 5k-7k pounds, or sometimes more. It’s not just a CT thing.

I personally wouldn’t buy a CT for a number of reasons, but style is so subjective. I’m kind of a fan of the styling, but I don’t think I’d want to look at it every day. In fact, the only negative thing people have said about my Rivian is how they think the front end is ugly. To be honest, I really don’t like it all that much either but it’s grown on me over time. I don’t follow the CT forums at all, but do people talk much about the Rivian’s styling the way we do? I’m genuinely curious. Again, I personally think the Cybertruck is totally impractical and have no interest in owning one, but doesn’t it at least look kind of cool? Just a little?

It’s interesting to see how polarizing the CT is - it seems like the vast majority of people either love it or hate it - not much in between.

 

[SASSquatch]

I agree that it's ugly, but that's personal preference/opinion.

What I disagree with is that it has to be like all other cars. What if this new way of engineering cars with exoskeletons is far safer in the long run? Heck if we take any modern car vs one from the 70s we know who is gonna lose that battle. Should we roll back safety advancements to the 70s? I take issue with people critiquing advancements in technology without there being any data to support their claims. By that logic let's remove semi trucks, armored vans etc and let's just go back to horse and carriage. This really has nothing to do with Tesla, it's about people's refusal to embrace change especially when that change comes from someone they don't like. Let's not forget that Hagerty, a vehicle insurance provider, gave it rave reviews for being the safest truck ever made.

Not my opinion, but the opinion of people who's opinion actually carries weight.

Dec 8 (Reuters) - The angular design of Tesla's (TSLA.O) Cybertruck has safety experts concerned the electric pickup truck's stiff stainless-steel exoskeleton could hurt pedestrians and cyclists and damage other vehicles on roads.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...Reuters) - The,damage other vehicles on roads.

 

[mkhuffman]

It does seem a little odd that it’s only the CT that’s being pointed out. As others have posted, heavier vehicles are going to cause greater damage than a lighter vehicle. Seems pretty simple. Lots of big trucks and SUVs are now between 5k-7k pounds, or sometimes more. It’s not just a CT thing.

I personally wouldn’t buy a CT for a number of reasons, but style is so subjective. I’m kind of a fan of the styling, but I don’t think I’d want to look at it every day. In fact, the only negative thing people have said about my Rivian is how they think the front end is ugly. To be honest, I really don’t like it all that much either but it’s grown on me over time. I don’t follow the CT forums at all, but do people talk much about the Rivian’s styling the way we do? I’m genuinely curious. Again, I personally think the Cybertruck is totally impractical and have no interest in owning one, but doesn’t it at least look kind of cool? Just a little?

It’s interesting to see how polarizing the CT is - it seems like the vast majority of people either love it or hate it - not much in between.

I lightly participate in a CT forum and nobody I have seen has criticized the appearance of the R1s. There are lots of functional comparisons, but mostly people there are just obsessed with the product, like we were here before Rivian started producing trucks.

Seems to me the two biggest let downs expressed by CT forum members are range and price. Range is pretty much the top criteria for me, and that was the main reason I have been considering a CT. But it can't beat a R1 Max Pack in highway range, unless I get the extender, which may not be produced for years. Who knows. Will Rivian ever make one? They have a patent.

 

[COdogman]

Obviously the heavier and harder something is when it hits anything lighter or less hard, it will cause more damage. That applies to our Rivians too. The tweet was designed to annoy the hell out of CT fans. Mission accomplished.

 

[Zoidz]

Less about the weight but more about the stainless steel exterior against pedestrians and other vehicles

There is speculation from industry experts that the CT cannot pass European safety standards due to the sharp angles and inflexbile skin.

"This has led a lot of people, including automotive experts, to posit the Cybertruck will not be allowed to be sold in Europe since the vehicle’s ultra-hard stainless steel exterior will not pass Europe’s stringent pedestrian safety regulations.

These regulations are the reason Tesla vehicles in Europe have a hood that automatically raises up a few centimeters in the event of a crash. The thought behind this regulation is that by raising the hood, it will protect pedestrians’ heads from bumping against any hard metals, for example, an engine block.

Since the Cybertruck has a bulletproof stainless steel exterior, in addition to the vehicle’s sharp edges, it was widely thought the vehicle would not pass pedestrian safety tests in Europe.

This same sentiment was shared during Hagerty’s spectacular Cybertruck review video. Tesla personality Whole Mars Catalog commented on Hagerty’s video saying “The narrative that the Cybertruck is dangerous for pedestrians is complete BS.

Take a look at this F-150 & Cybertruck side by side. That wall of a truck will take a pedestrian out quickly. Cybertruck’s sloped front & AI active safety are way safer than traditional trucks.”

Musk responded to Whole Mars Catalog’s post saying “Yes, we are highly confident that Cybertruck will be much safer per mile than other trucks, both for occupants and pedestrians.”

 

[Zoidz]

Well, all this criticism of the CT makes me more likely to buy one. Because the criticism is ridiculous. "Sharp edges"? Seriously? There are no sharp edges on other vehicles? Ridiculous.

Based on crash test video I have seen, the CT may be one of the safest vehicles ever to be inside. Isn't that what we want? Ridiculous.

From a pedestrian safety viewpoint by European standards, the hard angles are sharp edges. Other vehicles have at least some radius on the edges of the bodylines.

"Since the Cybertruck has a bulletproof stainless steel exterior, in addition to the vehicle’s sharp edges, it was widely thought the vehicle would not pass pedestrian safety tests in Europe.'

 

[VSG]

What if this new way of engineering cars with exoskeletons is far safer in the long run?

 

[RivianRunner]

They, presumably, make the argument that it's unsafe because it weighs over 6k lbs and could harm other motorists. I guess us Rivian owners must be driving extremely dangerous vehicles at over 7k lbs ?.

Oh, no, haven't you heard? The Rivian is much safer due to its tall flat front end which will create a cushion of "safety air" in front of the vehicle, instead of a pointy wedge. And the extra mass of the Rivian is just a figment of the media's imagination.

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