Has anyone heard of a documented Rivian vehicle theft?

[Killer95Stang]

Saw some statistics on ICE vehicle thefts today and it got me wondering.

Has their been any documented Rivian thefts that didn't orginate from a key card, fob or phone being stolen first? I guess you could add Tesla to this as well, since access is very similar.

1. If someone gains access to one of you various keys, how easy is it disable that key or access point directly?

2. If you get carjacked and your phone is taken, or if you phone is just taken by itself, will disabling the phone remotely cut the car off or keep it from moving after it stops?

3. If a Rivian gets taken by other means, like a tow truck, is the GPS powered by the vehicles main battery or accessory 12v battery? If they pull the deadmans switch and / or battery, does that mean the GPS is gone?

Maybe some of this doesn't need to be out there, but I'm sure people have talked about it with Teslas, so probably not that big of deal.

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[Dark-Fx]

Just one.

 

[Killer95Stang]

Just one.

In that video, the Rivian deployed the "steer toward tree" anti-theft system. Pretty slick...

 

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https://www.kron4.com/news/these-ar...eft claims, the,stolen vehicles for 2020-2022.

 

[SDH]

It's a good question... I'm no expert at all but I can't help thinking that EVs in general are a bit harder to steal and are probably easier to track back down again (massive knock on wood here)

 

[mikehmb]

I have driven off twice in a week without an active key (app closed / swiped up on phone, fob in the house).

Phone on, bluetooth on. It was enough to trick the truck into allowing me to drive it.

One of the several whacky behaviors that popped up after .42.x dropped.

 

[Killer95Stang]

I have driven off twice in a week without an active key (app closed / swiped up on phone, fob in the house).

Phone on, bluetooth on. It was enough to trick the truck into allowing me to drive it.

One of the several whacky behaviors that popped up after .42.x dropped.

I thought that is how it was supposed to work? I always leave bluetooth on and I can just walk up and drive off without taking my phone out of my pocket. If I'm working near the garage, I turn bluetooth off, so the doors do not keep opening and closing.

 

[mikehmb]

I thought that is how it was supposed to work? I always leave bluetooth on and I can just walk up and drive off without taking my phone out of my pocket. If I'm working near the garage, I turn bluetooth off, so the doors do not keep opening and closing.

If the app is open, then yes that’s expected behavior. App runs in background unless you deliberately shut it down.

I have the app completely closed / shut down - swiped up, in Apple terms - and the truck allowed me to drive off. This was unexpected behavior.

 

[Dark-Fx]

If the app is open, then yes that’s expected behavior. App runs in background unless you deliberately shut it down.

I have the app completely closed / shut down - swiped up, in Apple terms - and the truck allowed me to drive off. This was unexpected behavior.

If the connection has been authenticated, I don't think it should require the app to be active if I am understanding how the Bluetooth key stuff is supposed to work. Next gen hardware is actually supposed to still work with a recently dead phone because the ultra low power stuff is still active even though the phone is otherwise not.

 

[Killer95Stang]

If the app is open, then yes that’s expected behavior. App runs in background unless you deliberately shut it down.

I have the app completely closed / shut down - swiped up, in Apple terms - and the truck allowed me to drive off. This was unexpected behavior.

We are house divided, that probably works like that on my wife's phone. I'll check when she gets home.

 

[pc500]

Theft is a material non-issue. The lack of a secondary market means the only purpose for theft is export / driving on the street of third world countries. Most of them don't want EVs.

 

[mikehmb]

If the connection has been authenticated, I don't think it should require the app to be active if I am understanding how the Bluetooth key stuff is supposed to work. Next gen hardware is actually supposed to still work with a recently dead phone because the ultra low power stuff is still active even though the phone is otherwise not.

Interesting. I have no technical details on session handling for BT-keys in the truck, but what you are saying is certainly plausible. Leaving someone stranded because their phone croaked / became unresponsive while they stopped to run an errand would be immensely frustrating.

What’s weird in my case is that the truck woke up and drove off in the morning, after at least 16 hours of idle time.

 

[4tangledkites]

I have driven off twice in a week without an active key (app closed / swiped up on phone, fob in the house).

Phone on, bluetooth on. It was enough to trick the truck into allowing me to drive it.

One of the several whacky behaviors that popped up after .42.x dropped.

I noticed this happened to me over the weekend. I kill the iPhone app as soon as I park in my garage. First time I’ve had this happen. I think it was a phone glitch, as I opened and crashed the app and behavior returned to normal.

 

[Killer95Stang]

Theft is a material non-issue. The lack of a secondary market means the only purpose for theft is export / driving on the street of third world countries. Most of them don't want EVs.

I'm not sure where you are, but where I come from and work, people steal cars to joyride, steal parts off of and use for other crimes, from burglary to murder. Never had a car stolen, but I've dealt with thousands of stolen cars. Most if not all never get returned in the same shape as when they were stolen. My questions mainly relate to how suceptible Rivians or other similar vehicles are to being stolen in the first place. If our R1S gets stolen and gets sent to another country, I could care less, because insurance will cover it. But if it gets stolen, used to do a driveby shooting and then gets found and returned, I don't want it back.

Cars like dodge chargers, can easily be stolen by using a programming tool plugged into an OBD2 port. Fords F series trucks can be also be stolen cloning keyless fobs. I never hear about Teslas being stolen in this manner, so I was curious if Rivians will be just as hard to steal.

 

[pc500]

I'm not sure where you are, but where I come from and work, people steal cars to joyride, steal parts off of and use for other crimes, from burglary to murder. Never had a car stolen, but I've dealt with thousands of stolen cars. Most if not all never get returned in the same shape as when they were stolen. My questions mainly relate to how suceptible Rivians or other similar vehicles are to being stolen in the first place. If our R1S gets stolen and gets sent to another country, I could care less, because insurance will cover it. But if it gets stolen, used to do a driveby shooting and then gets found and returned, I don't want it back.

Cars like dodge chargers, can easily be stolen by using a programming tool plugged into an OBD2 port. Fords F series trucks can be also be stolen cloning keyless fobs. I never hear about Teslas being stolen in this manner, so I was curious if Rivians will be just as hard to steal.

Rivian is not in the joy-ride category and it just doesn't happen. While some are truly insecure (Yes, Kia), most of those joy ride incidents are relatively low tech and involve stolen keys, etc. Most moderate-tech (IE: desirable Dodges) theft methods are to get stripped for parts -- so totalled -- or resold as vin swapped.

F-series get stolen mostly for parts, and when there's actual money and not hoodlums, people will invest time and money into more high tech ways of stealing them.

It's still a non-issue if you protect your key.

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