CyberTruck is more than Stainless Steel...Tesla excels at Engineering in so many ways.

[BigE]

No product can have everything and be under six figures.

With that being said, if I got to choose the only features I'd really want Rivian to adopt are the heat pump, 800v/350kW charging, and the stronger glass.

If Rivian makes these improvements, we'll get a new one at trade-in time. Especially the glass...it really is soft...we've had 2 chips repaired thus far. These and work on refining the air suspension. The ride is great, but air/hydraulics make a lot of wild noises.

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[mikehmb]

So you are partially correct.

Many (if not all automakers) offer 48V systems for mild hybrids, anti-roll bar systems, and other 48V accessories. However they still use a 12V system for the low voltage accessories.

Tesla is the first to switch everything to the 48V system.

So have your cookie. Still not a game changer.

The video made a big deal out of 48V but then honed in on components that are clearly the right candidates for it (5-hp steering motors, for example), vs. the low-V electronics that are less current-heavy.

A full 48V system may have benefits, but they are fairly minor. 48V to current-heavy applications is clearly not new, however.

 

[WSea]

You forget the infamous "Range Extender," that takes up a large portion of the bed and weighs 900 pounds +/- But Elon says it's "Plug and Play," so it must be true...

Just get a 12 pack and invite a few buddies over. I NEED THE REX IN THE BED

 

[SANZC02]

Just curious, what is the real advantage of the 48 volt system?

800 volt I understand, I think charge speed is over hyped as they all have a curve and stay at the max speeds for a short time and most people charge more than 90% of the time at home on L2. The smaller wire requirements for 800 volt is the real advantage, less cost, less weight, and less environmental waste.

The drag race although great for bragging rights not sure of real advantage, only beast mode has the 130 top speed and the 2.6 0-60, notice the highlight on that number though, it is after deducting rollout time. The other all wheel drive version that is closer to the R1T competitor has a 112 top speed and 0-60 is 4.1 seconds.

 

[Grabs10]

Biggest advantage of 48 volt is a lot less copper need to deliver the same power that a 12 volt delivers. Lot less copper needed running wires to everything that is 12 volts. Just think of the cable size being used to run from the battery to stereo amp. On 48 volt that cable can be significantly smaller.

With that I hope Rivian can master a 12 volt system before even attempting to go to 48 volts system. Crawl before you walk thing.

 

[WSea]

Lower current = smaller gauge wire = less weight. This along with the 800v architecture wire harnesses is most likely the sole reason the CT is slightly lighter than than the R1T

 

[evhelphub]

@SANZC02

The Cybertruck's 800V system will save you roughly half of the time (or 20-30 minutes) when charging from a low SoC to 85%. That's a big deal. It also means much lighter components. All around a far superior technology.

 

[NineElectrics]

LOL...As one of the first people to put a deposit on a Rivian back in Nov. 2018, I'm not trolling, just open-minded and not ignorant. There are Zero other OEMs that use 48v electrical systems in their cars or trucks. Zero!

https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/mild-hybrids/

Note the 48V battery.

 

[manitou202]

@SANZC02

The Cybertruck's 800V system will save you roughly half of the time (or 20-30 minutes) when charging from a low SoC to 85%. That's a big deal. It also means much lighter components. All around a far superior technology.

So they caught up to Hyundai and Porsche?

 

[evhelphub]

So they caught up to Hyundai and Porsche?

I don't know about you, but I'd love to see Rivian do the same. I think they are.

Rivian already advertises 300kW+ RAN speeds "in the future" on their website. Electrify America offers this amount of power and Tesla will soon, which Rivian will have access to.

Of all the things Rivian got right, charging curve is on the lower end, especially beyond 60% SoC.

 

[manitou202]

I don't know about you, but I'd love to see Rivian do the same.

Agreed. Charging speed is my biggest complaint about the R1 platform.

 

[DuoRivians]

I don't know about you, but I'd love to see Rivian do the same. I think they are.

Rivian already advertises 300kW+ RAN speeds "in the future" on their website. Electrify America offers this amount of power and Tesla will soon, which Rivian will have access to.

Of all the things Rivian got right, charging curve is on the lower end, especially beyond 60% SoC.

Rivian is getting there with the Peregrine overhaul. What is somewhat annoying is that people are clamoring over the 800v tech when in reality, there are few chargers that can even deliver this. V4 superchargers are just rolling out and won’t be anywhere as ubiquitous as v3 chargers are, at least for a few years. By then, Rivian and nearly everyone else will be on 800v. So having 800v today is kinda bragging rights only

 

[jebinc]

Just curious, what is the real advantage of the 48 volt system?

To save Tesla money and increase profits.

 

[moosetags]

I watched Jason's entire video and was quite impressed with the Cybertruck. Actually, more so than I thought I could be. The 48 volt architecture, 4 wheel steering, and steering by wire are all major enhancements over the competition. With its 2500# payload, the Cybertruck is the new towing king. About the only thing I don't like about it is the looks.

I still love my R1T, but I will have to admit that Tesla has created one hell of a truck.

Brian

 

[evhelphub]

Rivian is getting there with the Peregrine overhaul. What is somewhat annoying is that people are clamoring over the 800v tech when in reality, there are few chargers that can even deliver this. V4 superchargers are just rolling out and won’t be anywhere as ubiquitous as v3 chargers are, at least for a few years. By then, Rivian and nearly everyone else will be on 800v. So having 800v today is kinda bragging rights only

I agree to some extent. But I have two counterpoints. On the routes I currently drive, I have access to 350kW chargers at each stop already. This is in the South and Midwest, not on the coasts.

I believe Tesla will ramp rapidly and with the investments from the government, I expect DC fast chargers to ramp faster than they have before. How many of these will be 350kW capable? That's a fair point.

All of this being said, it may depend on how long you keep the vehicle. If that's only 2-3 years, I can agree that it's not worth losing sleep over. 5+ years? I'd be a bit concerned.

It really is a big difference and huge time saver on road trips. There are additional benefits to both the owner and manufacturer, but the upfront costs are higher.

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