Does Lucid Gravity solve many of Rivian R1S issues for families?

[prestapost]

@MysticJim345 You joined the Rivian Forums strictly to post about a Lucid. If you're not a shill or a bot, it at least seems like maybe you meant to be on a Lucid forum.

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[prestapost]

So all R2 discussions are meaningless as well as it wont be in production till 2026.

If someone joined a Lucid forum strictly to talk about the R2, I'd say it would be not only meaningless, but also lame.

 

[DuoRivians]

If you wish to refer to a brief discussion people had about the Gravity here, here’s the link:

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/lucid-gravity-reveal.21257/

 

[VSG]

What are your thoughts on this comparison?

My thoughts? Well, since you asked ... The OP is full of opinionated marketing language that is either taken directly from Lucid or other promotional material or is modeled after similar industry marketing material.

Its advanced charging technology and impressive range offer a more practical and convenient solution for daily commuting and road-tripping.

900V architecture is game-changing

seamless integration with technology is essential

making it a tech-savvy choice

Comfort is paramount for a 3-row SUV

I don't care to address the individual points because all signs point to either an AI-generated post, a shill, or a troll. Or all three. If you think the Gravity better suits your needs, buy the Gravity. I have no compulsion to convince anyone one way or the other - there is no one right answer as to which is the "best" - it all depends on your needs, and their target markets don't even overlap that much IMO.

 

[mkhuffman]

Agreed. I mentioned this and you agreed that things will change soon. There is plenty of Federal money poured into EV infrastructure.

Yes, but my point is the Lucid will charge slower than the Rivian and other 400V BEVs on a charger that cannot provide 900V. Thee are a lot of chargers like that. That's all.

The Gravity looks very nice, and I was very interested in the reveal. Some say it looks like a minivan. To me it looks like a raised station wagon. Which is fine. Station wagons are definitely more aerodynamic than a SUV or minivan.

You can figure out the highway range with a little math. At 80, what is the likely efficiency? If it can maintain 2.8 mi/kWh that would be very impressive. So that would mean 2.8 x 120 = 336 miles. I think the R1 Max can do that. Sure, bigger battery, but that is what you need for longer range.

BTW, an Air can probably do 2.8 at 80. Maybe 3.0 on a good day. The Gravity won't be more efficient at 80 than the Air.

 

[Ervin Hagerup]

I’m sure the Gravity is nice, but I’ve hauled 3 adults and 1 child and 3 dogs in my R1S on a bunch of trips and we never have issues with comfort, range or charging. If you want a luxury car, the Gravity is the go to. If you want an on road, to off road and adventuring beast, then the R1S is the way to go. It all depends on your needs.

 

[Hillbilly]

Sounds like a paid advertisement

Using the phrase "game changing" doesn't help.

 

[COdogman]

The Gravity looks like a very nice EV. But no one really knows for sure until they start making them and people are driving them, which is still pretty far off tbh. People worry about Rivian being around a year from, now but Lucid is in far worse shape than Rivian financially.

Other things I would point out from your post:

• There are no 900v chargers out there, including Tesla. And when you look at the overall charging picture right now, it will be a long time before that happens. It will still be an asset to fast charge at the current chargers but by the time there is widespread 900v charging the Gravity 3.0 will be released.
• How much will the max range battery cost in the Gravity? Comparing it to Lucid's current max battery offerings, it will probably come in well above an R1S.
• Most people find the Rivians to be very good daily drivers. I have a truck so I can't speak to the comfort of the 3rd row in the S, but for that matter no one knows how comfortable the 3rd row in a Gravity is either.

I guess my point is there is always some next great thing to wait for. If you want to enjoy a well made and fun to drive electric SUV right now, the S is the best you can get.

 

[CrazyOne]

Agreed. I mentioned this and you agreed that things will change soon. There is plenty of Federal money poured into EV infrastructure.

If the charger is unable to provide 900V, the car has to convert the voltage from the max charger voltage up to 900V. That is a inefficient process and many chargers are not yet 900V capable. Eventually there will be a lot of chargers that can provide 900V, but for now it is mixed for sure. So instead of a 300 kW charge, you might get 60 kW (or less) because of the conversion.

Food for thought.

Almost everyone conveniently ignores this. Yes infrastructure is being built, but it will take years and there is a penalty to pay now. The only thing I agree with OP is is the space part. We need R1S long wheel base.

Op, If you have multiple EVs at home, use a splitter. Or charge alternate days. I used to charge twice a week and did 9k miles in 1 year, with 70% charge limit. There are valid reasons to get Lucid over R1S, we don't have to make up more.

 

[Ervin Hagerup]

As I read the Posts here, I am struck by number of comments as to charging is not a problem. I agree that the Rivian and the Lucid are fine electric cars but, I have owned a 2012 Tesla Model S, and 2016 Model S and now a 2022 Rivian and a Lucid Air.
All great vehicles but the Rivian and the Lucid, both give me great Range Anxiety and I have to call ahead to see if the chargers are working. I am traveling in the Desert SW and the number of chargers that appear working are not or have to be reset. My experience has been so poor for the Rivian and Lucid causes me to not want to use them for anything but around the local area.
Telsa has no range anxiety any more but Electrify America has caused problems that have made me abort my travels and head home.
The cars are fine but the Chargers are not reliable in my experience. I hope they improve or this experiment will be just that!

 

[mkhuffman]

The Gravity looks like a very nice EV. But no one really knows for sure until they start making them and people are driving them, which is still pretty far off tbh. People worry about Rivian being around a year from, now but Lucid is in far worse shape than Rivian financially.

Other things I would point out from your post:

• There are no 900v chargers out there, including Tesla. And when you look at the overall charging picture right now, it will be a long time before that happens. It will still be an asset to fast charge at the current chargers but by the time there is widespread 900v charging the Gravity 3.0 will be released.
• How much will the max range battery cost in the Gravity? Comparing it to Lucid's current max battery offerings, it will probably come in well above an R1S.
• Most people find the Rivians to be very good daily drivers. I have a truck so I can't speak to the comfort of the 3rd row in the S, but for that matter no one knows how comfortable the 3rd row in a Gravity is either.

I guess my point is there is always some next great thing to wait for. If you want to enjoy a well made and fun to drive electric SUV right now, the S is the best you can get.

I believe there are some 1000V EA (and others) chargers out there, including a few V4 Superchargers. Even the V3 Supercharger is supposably 1000V capable. I think the issue with the V3s is the current limit.

I am almost certain there are videos of the Lucid pulling 300 kW+ in the wild.

 

[CrazyOne]

Agreed. I mentioned this and you agreed that things will change soon. There is plenty of Federal money poured into EV infrastructure.

It will be years! There is a penalty to pay while waiting. We know how long charging infra improvements take.

 

[COdogman]

I believe there are some 1000V EA (and others) chargers out there, including a few V4 Superchargers. Even the V3 Supercharger is supposably 1000V capable. I think the issue with the V3s is the current limit.

I am almost certain there are videos of the Lucid pulling 300 kW+ in the wild.

I've heard the same things. I know the v4 are capable but for the rest I am a "believe it when I see it" kind of guy.

And the existing chargers that are capable are so rare that unless you live near one it's not really a benefit yet IMO. Someday ?

 

[mkhuffman]

I've heard the same things. I know the v4 are capable but for the rest I am a "believe it when I see it" kind of guy.

And the existing chargers that are capable are so rare that unless you live near one it's not really a benefit yet IMO. Someday ?

If you plan to keep your vehicle for a while, at least the Lucid is very well prepared for the future. I feel like it will be many years, but eventually all chargers will be 1000V capable and those of us with a 400V vehicle will be left behind.

 

[MysticJim345]

I like what we've seen of the Gravity so far. Not sold on the styling but these things change over time (opinions, not a given car's styling).

If it comes out as promised, I can totally see getting one for around-towning and maybe some road trips. But even if so, I'll keep my R1T for the light hauling I do, and for offroading and adventure.

Lots of 'if's in there. Lucid have shown themselves to be capable of great design and execution, but not scale (yet).

No comparison of Gravity with R1T, I agree they can make a good combo.

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