Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

[SASSquatch]

You say the OP is anti-Musk hysteria, but what evidence is there that we should trust Musk? He misleads people all the time, and sells things that don't exist.

I think having a little skepticism when it comes to Musk is healthy.

We're in agreement that the Tesla Superchargers is vastly superior to any other fast charging system in North America. Considerably more plentiful than Rivians RAN chargers, and vastly more reliable than EA. But, they alone can't meet the fast charging needs of so many EV's. Especially in places like California.

We also don't want them to be alone because a single provider will charge a lot for a charge as they have no competition.

I do hope that NACS is truly an open standard where we have other manufactures of supercharger equivalents. But, there is no promise that they'll be as reliable as Tesla Superchargers.

Well said. If we move to NACS as an industry - and I have no issue with this - it needs to be truly open where one company doesn't have a monopoly that makes it so hard to compete that there is effectively no competition.

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[SASSquatch]

(1) OTHER Chargers allowed to use the NACS Connector: Good
+ Gives Teslas more places to charge and promotes Charger competition, allows other Car Mfg to consider adoption

(2) OTHER Car Mfg adopting the NACS port: Good
+ It's smaller, lighter, and easier to use. It also locks to vehicle while charging and is capable of high speeds, and as we've seen from Ford/GM they will have access to Tesla Superchargers (a requirement for this to work at all)

(3) TESLA Superchargers working with OTHER CAR MFG: Good
+ Gives other car owners access to a large reliable charging network when they need it and promotes Charger competition.

(4) Worrying endlessly about what-if Musk statements: Priceless

Watching your grandpa get beat up at a Tesla station when his Ford Lightning blocks 2 chargers because Elon didn't tell him it is nearly impossible to charge a non-Tesla at a Tesla Supercharger station: Sad.

Knowing grandpa could have avoided getting manhandled by Tesla having designed their network to accommodate other EV manufacturers like they'd been saying since 2014 but never followed through with: Sad

Watching people fall for Elon Musks continuous line of bullshit over and over again and expeecting a different result: Priceless

 

[2025R1S]

I am partially disabled and can report first hand and with my only hand - its the port. The CCS1 port is trash. The CCS2 port is not as elegant as NACS, but it is better than CCS1 from an ADA perspective.

Once again, I can’t use CCS1. Should I not want one because of CCS1?

CCS1 and CCS2 are different flavors of CCS technology that differ geographically.

Also, you are confusing the shitty experience you have because CCS providers in the US are terrible with the actual port. The port has nothing to do with it.

If the ports were switched and Tesla actually used CCS and provided a great experience and EA and others used NACS and provided the same shitty experience, would you then support CCS?

It's the provider. Not the port.

 

[MXA121]

Watching your grandpa get beat up at a Tesla station when his Ford Lightning blocks 2 chargers because Elon didn't tell him it is nearly impossible to charge a non-Tesla at a Tesla Supercharger station: Sad.

Avoiding having grandpa getting manhandled by Tesla having designed their network to accommodate other EV manufacturers like Tesla had been saying since 2014 but never followed through with: Sad

Watching people fall for Elon Musks continuous line of bullshit over and over again and expeecting a different result: Priceless

Thanks for re-enforcing my point #4 almost instantly. Well done.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

(1) OTHER Chargers allowed to use the NACS Connector: Good
+ Gives Teslas more places to charge and promotes Charger competition, allows other Car Mfg to consider adoption

(2) OTHER Car Mfg adopting the NACS port: Good
+ It's smaller, lighter, and easier to use. It also locks to vehicle while charging and is capable of high speeds, and as we've seen from Ford/GM they will have access to Tesla Superchargers (a requirement for this to work at all)

(3) TESLA Superchargers working with OTHER CAR MFG: Good
+ Gives other car owners access to a large reliable charging network when they need it and promotes Charger competition.

(4) Worrying endlessly about what-if Musk statements: Priceless

(1) -> We don't know how true this will turn out to be. They claim this, but until we start to see non-Tesla NACS chargers of 250KW or greater then there is some concern with this one. This is the most important one as this is what provides charging competition that keeps pricing in check.

(2) -> We don't know if all EV manufactures will adopt NACS in North America. There are companies like VW/Audi/Porsche and Hyundai/Kia that are reliant on the existing 800VDC support.

(3) -> Already exist today because Tesla offers a NACS -> CCS adapter.

(4) -> Having skepticsim of anything Musk says is understandable given his track record.

I think a lot of us are just seeing how things play out.

 

[SASSquatch]

Thanks for re-enforcing my point #4 almost instantly. Well done.

You don't need a hyphen in re-enforcing. It's one word.

Thank you for reinforcing that you are a Musk fanboi who lives in an alternate reality bubble.

 

[2025R1S]

With the Cybertruck coming out with 1000v support, V4 Superchargers will suppose 800v cars and then some.

No one could share any specifics on number of CCS1 chargers that support high voltage cars like Porsche, Lucid and Hyundai/Kia. Most owners report poor / slow charging experiences. The appeal of 800v is limited, at this time.

(1) -> We don't know how true this will turn out to be. They claim this, but until we start to see non-Tesla NACS chargers of 250KW or greater then there is some concern with this one. This is the most important one as this is what provides charging competition that keeps pricing in check.

(2) -> We don't know if all EV manufactures will adopt NACS in North America. There are companies like VW/Audi/Porsche and Hyundai/Kia that are reliant on the existing 800VDC support.

(3) -> Already exist today because Tesla offers a NACS -> CCS adapter.

(4) -> Having skepticsim of anything Musk says is understandable given his track record.

I think a lot of us are just seeing how things play out.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I am partially disabled and can report first hand and with my only hand - its the port. The CCS1 port is trash. The CCS2 port is not as elegant as NACS, but it is better than CCS1 from an ADA perspective.

Once again, I can’t use CCS1. Should I not want one because of CCS1?

I don't understand why you don't fight for ALL disabled people.

With gas stations there are ADA rules, but there doesn't seem to be any ADA rules for Chargers.

I don't see any consideration for disabled people at all when it comes to chargers.

 

[SASSquatch]

With the Cybertruck coming out with 1000v support, V4 Superchargers will suppose 800v cars and then some.

No one could share any specifics on number of CCS1 chargers that support high voltage cars like Porsche, Lucid and Hyundai/Kia. Most owners report poor / slow charging experiences. The appeal of 800v is limited, at this time.

I'm sorry, did you say with the Cybertruck coming out? I think you are being overly optimistic.

 

[2025R1S]

Amen. The NACS charger is truly magical. It passes the grandparent test and the ADA test.

I know I don’t want to get a phone call from my grandpa asking how he uses a Enel X QR code activated charger that requires creating an account, reloading funds to the account, remembering his password and God forbid he can’t disconnect the CCS1 charger like me….

I don't understand why you don't fight for ALL disabled people.

With gas stations there are ADA rules, but there doesn't seem to be any ADA rules for Chargers.

I don't see any consideration for disabled people at all when it comes to chargers.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

With the Cybertruck coming out with 1000v support, V4 Superchargers will suppose 800v cars and then some.

No one could share any specifics on number of CCS1 chargers that support high voltage cars like Porsche, Lucid and Hyundai/Kia. Most owners report poor / slow charging experiences. The appeal of 800v is limited, at this time.

V4 is going to be a big step because in addition to the 1000V support it will also have longer charging cables making it easier to plug in EV's with ports in various locations.

 

[2025R1S]

Totally. V3 already sets the standard and crushes the competition. But V4 is going to straight up nuke the competition.

V4 is going to be a big step because in addition to the 1000V support it will also have longer charging cables making it easier to plug in EV's with ports in various locations.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Amen. The NACS charger is truly magical. It passes the grandparent test and the ADA test.

I know I don’t want to get a phone call from my grandpa asking how he uses a Enel X QR code activated charger that requires creating an account, reloading funds to the account, remembering his password and God forbid he can’t disconnect the CCS1 charger like me….

Wait what?

Charging at an EA charger requires the same steps as charging a non-Tesla at a Supercharger.

You open the App and select your charge port, and you authorize the charging.

If you see anyone at an EA charger trying to use the payment system then you're obligated to save them from that hell.

 

[2025R1S]

If only there was just one account needed. Between all these CCS brands - owners need a dozen accounts, reloading funds on them all, maintaining passwords - its a nightmare for older or less technical people.

CCS1 doesn’t pass the grandparent test - and grandchildren already are up to their ears in tech support requests.

Wait what?

Charging at an EA charger requires the same steps as charging a non-Tesla at a Supercharger.

You open the App and select your charge port, and you authorize the charging.

If you see anyone at an EA charger trying to use the payment system then you're obligated to save them from that hell.

 

[SASSquatch]

(1) -> We don't know how true this will turn out to be. They claim this, but until we start to see non-Tesla NACS chargers of 250KW or greater then there is some concern with this one. This is the most important one as this is what provides charging competition that keeps pricing in check.

(2) -> We don't know if all EV manufactures will adopt NACS in North America. There are companies like VW/Audi/Porsche and Hyundai/Kia that are reliant on the existing 800VDC support.

(3) -> Already exist today because Tesla offers a NACS -> CCS adapter.

(4) -> Having skepticsim of anything Musk says is understandable given his track record.

I think a lot of us are just seeing how things play out.

1) Fair points.

2.) Also fair. I think there may be an incentive to provide a counterweight to NACS and some OEMs may band together and rally around either CCS or their own NACS network but invest in making the network have the same reliability and usability as Tesla.

Rivian is in a great position to do this since they are building their own network. They could convince other OEMS to let Rivian be their Tesla and to partner with them for access to their vehicles.

3.) I think this point is arguing the opposite. There is no cable length adapter that people could use to make their charging experience usable at a Tesla station designed for Tesla vehicles.

4.) Amen

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