Rivian R1T vs GMC Hummer EV Comparison Test Review by Motor Trend

[zipzag]

Would you mind sharing with us your DC fast charging experience with the Hummer vs the R1T? Thats something i find most of the reviews are skipping. Im curious about the hummer charging curve and how long it takes to fill up that giant 200KW battery.

I've looked for a Hummer charging curve and can't find it. It should be good at 800V. We seem to be in a new era where every detail of a new EV isn't picked over.

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[Bobthebuilder352]

Love the rave power tonneau review.

 

[Nermal]

I’m hugely biased but, to me, all the launch modes are like John Wick using Barney Fife's ammunition strategy.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Would you mind sharing with us your DC fast charging experience with the Hummer vs the R1T? Thats something i find most of the reviews are skipping. Im curious about the hummer charging curve and how long it takes to fill up that giant 200KW battery.

I didn't measure one specific charging curve, but this is a culmination of all the different photos I took during our trip on 350kW stations. It does pick up a little bit after ~82% but we avoided charging past 70% unless we needed it. I didn't include the ones where the charger was obviously limited to less than what the truck would take. With the automatic pre-conditioning starting usually around 45 minutes before we got to a station, it was pretty much max rate every charge, even in sub freezing temps. Highest I ever saw in the truck was 290kW. Highest at a station was 306 kW.

I've only had the R1T on a 50kW chargepoint, and it was pulling just under 51kW according to the station.

*Edit: Charts are hard

 

[astonius]

How is 300kw possible in the future? I thought the truck was physically limited to 225kw?

 

[JulianD]

I’m hugely biased but, to me, all the launch modes are like John Wick using Barney Fife's ammunition strategy.

Man, that's a reference I'm sure not many will get, I like it though! Then again, this is probably a mix of older crowd and younger so maybe half of us will get it.

 

[Batman]

One contender defeated. Waiting on the next 2.........

Hope the R1S performs/handles like the R1T ?

 

[RivRev]

I wonder how many people would actually cross shop these two vehicles.

But perhaps I can't let go of my dislike of the original Hummer.

I get they are not comparable vehicles in how they drive or perform, but they are both the only EV trucks on the market. I think it's pretty naive to think that people won't cross shop them. Especially because the timing of delivery between the two may be very different and GMC is not a start up with only 5,000 vehicles under their belt. Of course people are going to cross-shop them....it'd almost be silly not to cross-shop the only two Electric trucks on the market. That doesn't mean that they are very similar or comparable though.

 

[RivRev]

Two complaints to note about the R1T that we have known for a while:
1) The power tonneau cover is a big miss by Rivian. It broke during their testing because of sand.
2) The main interior complaint by Motor Trend was the lack of physical buttons/knobs and that everything uses the digital touchscreen display.

These have both been hot topics in this forum for the last two years, and it seems for valid reasons...and Motor Trend agrees.
Hopefully Rivian acknowledges these "mistakes" and adds physical control knobs and re-designs (or scraps) the cover.

 

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

Love the rave power tonneau review.

Two complaints to note about the R1T that we have known for a while:
1) The power tonneau cover is a big miss by Rivian. It broke during their testing because of sand.
2) The main interior complaint by Motor Trend was the lack of physical buttons/knobs and that everything uses the digital touchscreen display.

These have both been hot topics in this forum for the last two years, and it seems for valid reasons...and Motor Trend agrees.
Hopefully Rivian acknowledges these "mistakes" and adds physical control knobs and re-designs (or scraps) the cover.

To be fair, MT mention early in the article that they conducted this head-to-head experiment in October of 2021. God knows why they waited until now to publish it.

Over the past six months, the tonneau issue has been identified, diagnosed, re-engineered, and the solution deployed. On one of these forums someone quoted a Rivian tech who said the currently-shipping R1T's now have two tonneau motors, not one. Supposedly that solves the problem that kept cropping up through the fall.

 

[NorthernOak]

1) The power tonneau cover is a big miss by Rivian. It broke during their testing because of sand.
2) The main interior complaint by Motor Trend was the lack of physical buttons/knobs and that everything uses the digital touchscreen display.

1. It supposedly broke because they are/were using a single motor to roll it up and it would pull too hard on one side, coming out of alignment. It's been said they added a 2nd motor on the other side to roll up the cover. We won't know that until they release repair docs or someone takes an R1T apart. Also, I'm not concerned about it given there is a 5 year warranty. It breaks, they fix it.
2. Rivian and RJ in an interview specifically said they went this route because a physical button is now locked into that physical task. You can never change its function. It can never be something else. A screen you can change the layout, add more features, remove (or add) complexity. This isn't a mistake, its an intentional design decision. You can say it was a design mistake if you'd like, but when you look at the intention behind the design decision, it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Forager]

To be fair, MT mention early in the article that they conducted this head-to-head experiment in October of 2021. God knows why they waited until now to publish it.

There was an embargo on HummerEV reviews until this week, that’s why there has been a flood of content in the last 48 hours. Until this week the only review I had seen was a non-driving review by Doug Demuro a month or more back.

 

[zipzag]

Two complaints to note about the R1T that we have known for a while:
1) The power tonneau cover is a big miss by Rivian. It broke during their testing because of sand.
2) The main interior complaint by Motor Trend was the lack of physical buttons/knobs and that everything uses the digital touchscreen display.

These have both been hot topics in this forum for the last two years, and it seems for valid reasons...and Motor Trend agrees.
Hopefully Rivian acknowledges these "mistakes" and adds physical control knobs and re-designs (or scraps) the cover.

I thought I needed physical buttons before I got a model Y. Now I get in an ICE rental and think "WTF".

The only physical control I would add to the model Y is wiper speed

 

[ads75]

Two complaints to note about the R1T that we have known for a while:
1) The power tonneau cover is a big miss by Rivian. It broke during their testing because of sand.
2) The main interior complaint by Motor Trend was the lack of physical buttons/knobs and that everything uses the digital touchscreen display.

These have both been hot topics in this forum for the last two years, and it seems for valid reasons...and Motor Trend agrees.
Hopefully Rivian acknowledges these "mistakes" and adds physical control knobs and re-designs (or scraps) the cover.

I like physical buttons but don't see Rivian changing it. Tesla hasn't and it doesn't seem to hurt their sales.

 

[zipzag]

I like physical buttons but don't see Rivian changing it. Tesla hasn't and it doesn't seem to hurt their sales.

The clear "button pattern" with Tesla is concern presale and OK after delivery and some practice.

The criticism Tesla gets is too much moving around of important buttons in the UI.

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