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DayTripping
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Are they saying it is so bad that they have to give it away now? 
Honestly Gen 1 isn't worth a dime to me and Gen 2 has a long way to go before I'd ever remotely paying for it. Heck, I don't even pay for FSD at $99/month on most of my Teslas and it is likely far better than anything Rivian will have in the next few years.
Now if they want to price it like Connect+, then it might be worth it in some cases. For Gen 1 they should have sent me a voucher to buy a Comma 3X with.
Honestly Gen 1 isn't worth a dime to me and Gen 2 has a long way to go before I'd ever remotely paying for it. Heck, I don't even pay for FSD at $99/month on most of my Teslas and it is likely far better than anything Rivian will have in the next few years.
Now if they want to price it like Connect+, then it might be worth it in some cases. For Gen 1 they should have sent me a voucher to buy a Comma 3X with.
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I'm sure it's more like they dont have it as a fully developed product to be able to charge for it yet.Are they saying it is so bad that they have to give it away now?
Honestly Gen 1 isn't worth a dime to me and Gen 2 has a long way to go before I'd ever remotely paying for it. Heck, I don't even pay for FSD at $99/month on most of my Teslas and it is likely far better than anything Rivian will have in the next few years.
Now if they want to price it like Connect+, then it might be worth it in some cases. For Gen 1 they should have sent me a voucher to buy a Comma 3X with.
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I'd pay a non-trivial amount for Level 3 at Highway speeds.
I would because 2-4 times a month I drive 440 miles round trip to my Coast Home. Essentially I get this time back so that's worth something to me. Of course ideally it would be L4 the entire way so I could sleep, but I don't see that happening in life time I have left.
For L2 capability I don't mind paying a tiny monthly fee for connectivity/map updates/etc. This is what I already do with Connect+
Ultimately it comes down to liability. If they have the liability then I can see paying for that liability. But, if I'm stuck with the liability then why would I pay for it? I already pay for it as its called insurance.
I would because 2-4 times a month I drive 440 miles round trip to my Coast Home. Essentially I get this time back so that's worth something to me. Of course ideally it would be L4 the entire way so I could sleep, but I don't see that happening in life time I have left.
For L2 capability I don't mind paying a tiny monthly fee for connectivity/map updates/etc. This is what I already do with Connect+
Ultimately it comes down to liability. If they have the liability then I can see paying for that liability. But, if I'm stuck with the liability then why would I pay for it? I already pay for it as its called insurance.
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I have never liked to use it in my Gen 1 but the Gen 2 hands free is better and useful... reducing highway driving fatigue. I would subscribe after trial is over.
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Although today’s user manual doesn’t indicate that any of the current features are part of a trial, I’m concerned they may later remove Lane Change on Demand from the standard offering. From the start, they clearly labeled which features belonged to the Connect+ trial in all documentation, but there’s no (non-marketing) documentation that describes any of today’s functionality as being part of a trial of any sort - and that rather than marketing is what counts usually. If they strip out features, it could get interesting.
Edit: For clarity none of the following are described as being part of RAP+ anywhere in the actual documentation that accompanies a vehicle purchase.
Edit: For clarity none of the following are described as being part of RAP+ anywhere in the actual documentation that accompanies a vehicle purchase.
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Dark-Fx
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https://rivian.com/support/article/what-features-are-included-in-the-rivian-autonomy-platformAlthough today’s user manual doesn’t indicate that any of the current features are part of a trial, I’m concerned they may later remove Lane Change on Demand from the standard offering. From the start, they clearly labeled which features belonged to the Connect+ trial in all documentation, but there’s no (non-marketing) documentation that describes any of today’s functionality as being part of a trial of any sort - and that rather than marketing is what counts usually. If they strip out features, it could get interesting.
Edit: For clarity none of the following are described as being part of RAP+ anywhere in the actual documentation that accompanies a vehicle purchase.
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This is why I said no non-marketing.
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portdirect
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Support articles can clarify features but aren’t legally binding. When website content conflicts with the official manual you receive at purchase, the manual takes precedence—it’s part of the sale and warranty. I’ll almost certainly just pay up and move on, (assuming I still have a gen2, and that additional features in RAP+ make it worthwhile) but this is a clear oversight by Rivian that could expose them to liability. They got it right with Connect+, but here they dropped the ball.
Edit: What I'm really saying here, is that the folks who whined about Connect+ did not have a leg to stand on, those who will whine about RAP+ probably do (at least for lane change on demand - as the manual describes this as a feature of Driver Assist, not RAP+).
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I have to imagine they need fleet data to continue improving it. They are probably planning to reach a certain feature set before they start requiring subscriptions. Also, its kind of an incentive to help them sell more cars too if folks know it will be free through the end of the year.
Complete speculation of course.
Complete speculation of course.
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+2
Also in the world of speculation, I think the other major gate to requiring subscription will be when it's no longer mobileye actuating the controls - but moved over completely to their own stack.
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With $200k+ worth of Rivian's sitting in my garage, if they actually ask me for another $50 / month for this it will likely blow up my relationship with the company.
Once they get it working, they need to take a page out of GM's book and for the higher end vehicles and trims give 3 years included. The R2 can be subscription based like the Chevy. R1s need to get at least a couple more years once it starts to function.
For now, however, Driver+ blows.
Once they get it working, they need to take a page out of GM's book and for the higher end vehicles and trims give 3 years included. The R2 can be subscription based like the Chevy. R1s need to get at least a couple more years once it starts to function.
For now, however, Driver+ blows.
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