photontorque
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Who cares about privacy?
First, to the extent that one can be a fan of a vehicle that one has never seen in person, I am a fan of the Rivian vehicles. The R1S is, in many ways, the vehicle I have been waiting to own for a long time.
However, Rivian’s approach to privacy is alarming at best.
Rivian collects a lot of data on its vehicle and the owner, see:
https://rivian.com/legal/privacy
I find this privacy policy invasive, and in conjunction with the title, “Rivian is committed to respecting your privacy”, there is a depressingly strong whiff of Orwellian doublespeak. The title would imply the privacy policy describes the many ways that Rivian respects and protects your privacy. Instead, the policy describes all the information they are collecting, and the fact that they will do whatever the heck they want with it. “Respect”, right.
Currently there is no opt out from RIvian’s data collection.
Compare this with Rivian’s peers, other EV-only companies: Telsa and Lucid.
Tesla’s privacy policy is here:
https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy
Tesla says that a lot of data is processed on vehicle, and user consent is required for data sharing.
And Lucid’s here:
https://www.lucidmotors.com/legal#vehicle-data-privacy-policy
Lucid allows users to opt out of data collection at the expense of functionality. That’s fine. The lost functionality is stuff I don’t need anyway, and I appreciate the fact they give owners a choice.
Based on these policy descriptions, I much prefer Tesla and Lucid policies to Rivian’s.
I know data collection is rampant in this day and age through computers and phones. I do what I can to prevent this data collection, and I advocate for policies to put a stop to consumer data collection.
I’m curious why this isn’t a more important topic for other people. Why don’t you care that Rivian will track everywhere you go in the vehicle, how you drive, whether or not you have a passenger, and (given the presence of a microphone and Alexa) listen to everything that goes on in the car, and perhaps most creepily, watch you while you drive? This seems like such a massive invasion of privacy.
I appreciate different people have different perspectives. I also appreciate when as a consumer I get a choice in the matter.
I’d feel better if Rivian at least anonymized the data they collect.
I was all-in on Rivian until they posted their privacy policy, and now they seem like all the other companies that do things that once were considered stalking and be cause for imprisonment. Just because "other companies do it", doesn't mean it's right.
I do like Rivian’s vehicles, I just want them to revise their data collection policy to include an opt out, and/or anonymization.
First, to the extent that one can be a fan of a vehicle that one has never seen in person, I am a fan of the Rivian vehicles. The R1S is, in many ways, the vehicle I have been waiting to own for a long time.
However, Rivian’s approach to privacy is alarming at best.
Rivian collects a lot of data on its vehicle and the owner, see:
https://rivian.com/legal/privacy
I find this privacy policy invasive, and in conjunction with the title, “Rivian is committed to respecting your privacy”, there is a depressingly strong whiff of Orwellian doublespeak. The title would imply the privacy policy describes the many ways that Rivian respects and protects your privacy. Instead, the policy describes all the information they are collecting, and the fact that they will do whatever the heck they want with it. “Respect”, right.
Currently there is no opt out from RIvian’s data collection.
Compare this with Rivian’s peers, other EV-only companies: Telsa and Lucid.
Tesla’s privacy policy is here:
https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy
Tesla says that a lot of data is processed on vehicle, and user consent is required for data sharing.
And Lucid’s here:
https://www.lucidmotors.com/legal#vehicle-data-privacy-policy
Lucid allows users to opt out of data collection at the expense of functionality. That’s fine. The lost functionality is stuff I don’t need anyway, and I appreciate the fact they give owners a choice.
Based on these policy descriptions, I much prefer Tesla and Lucid policies to Rivian’s.
I know data collection is rampant in this day and age through computers and phones. I do what I can to prevent this data collection, and I advocate for policies to put a stop to consumer data collection.
I’m curious why this isn’t a more important topic for other people. Why don’t you care that Rivian will track everywhere you go in the vehicle, how you drive, whether or not you have a passenger, and (given the presence of a microphone and Alexa) listen to everything that goes on in the car, and perhaps most creepily, watch you while you drive? This seems like such a massive invasion of privacy.
I appreciate different people have different perspectives. I also appreciate when as a consumer I get a choice in the matter.
I’d feel better if Rivian at least anonymized the data they collect.
I was all-in on Rivian until they posted their privacy policy, and now they seem like all the other companies that do things that once were considered stalking and be cause for imprisonment. Just because "other companies do it", doesn't mean it's right.
I do like Rivian’s vehicles, I just want them to revise their data collection policy to include an opt out, and/or anonymization.
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