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Doesn't the SpaceX IPO makes issues w/Tesla pretty irrelevant? A great number of small and very large investors have said, "Who cares? He's promising the moon".

Ok, technically Mars; having been funded at crucial times by the government (NASA).

Whatever; I take no pleasure in saying I'm glad I'm no longer under 40 (or 60!).
 

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There was a post of robotaxi accidents on the website from electrek. He posted the NHTSA SGO data with every time the tesla robotaxi crashed and a few other details. He said that the narratives were "redacted" and that you could not tell who was at fault because tesla was hiding the data.

In the same data there are maybe 10+ columns which show where the car was hit, how fast the car was moving, etc. which clearly show tesla not at fault. Eventually all of the narratives were unredacted and it shows that tesla was not at fault.
 
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There was a post of robotaxi accidents on the website from electrek. He posted the NHTSA SGO data with every time the tesla robotaxi crashed and a few other details. He said that the narratives were "redacted" and that you could not tell who was at fault because tesla was hiding the data.

In the same data there are maybe 10+ columns which show where the car was hit, how fast the car was moving, etc. which clearly show tesla not at fault. Eventually all of the narratives were unredacted and it shows that tesla was not at fault.
Gibberish…..

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...spite-claims-of-fsd-breakthroughs-271177.html
 

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More pointless arguing on Tesla?

Illogical to accuse info outlets of being biased if majority of news on Tesla is negative. It's only accurate if any of these outlets cover only the negative ones and add editorial to exaggerate and even spin positives into negatives. I have no loyalty to Electrek... why should I? they don't pay me. However, from what I've seen, Electrek covers both positive and negative news. It's just that there are now higher percentage of negative ones. And who's fault is that? Tesla itself and you know who. Face the music. If you are a jerk to more people, then more people think you're a jerk. It's that simple. And writting off Electrek just because their coverage doesn't fit your bias, you'd be missing out on their coverage on positives, plus creating your own echo chamber where you only expose yourself to palatable content—thus making yourself even more biased. This is how extremism is born and given life. A you striving to become an extremist?

As for FSD... It's far ahead of others and probably has more users in the US than others. Duh? Even with declining vehicle sales, Teslas still outnumber all competition in the US (having some form of autonomy). And while it is far ahead, it is not perfect. Obviously not, since incidents involving FSD has not fallen zero. As advanced as it is, there are still edge cases (that come with unpredictable nature of the real world) where the engineers and resulting programming could not and hadn't imagined possible. It's what they do about these edge cases that actually matters and should be discussed/debated, instead of trite pissing contests over personal biases and allegiances.
 
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Those crashes are not FSD. They are using actually smart summon which is a different technology and there is a different planning behavior. Robotaxi is also geofenced and door scrapes are not safety critical anyways. Assuming it only happens once across hundreds of thousands of miles this is acceptable.

And while it is far ahead, it is not perfect. Obviously. As advanced as it is, there are still edge cases (that come with unpredictable nature of the real world) where the engineers and resulting programming could not and hadn't imagined possible. It's what they do about these edge cases that actually matters and should be discussed/debated.
Tesla is years ahead in edge cases. That's where the systems that look like they have decent driving (nvidia, chinese systems) do very, very poorly. The reaction time of these systems is really bad.

There's a robotaxi (AVRIDE) that was filmed getting into a not-at-fault accident where the other car ran a stop sign. This was yesterday by a world cup visitor from Japan.

The thing about it, is tesla FSD would have avoided that accident 3 years ago.
 

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I read the article, then I watched the video for myself. Electrek is full of shit, as always. The always-anti-Musk people on this forum either didn't bother watching it, or are simply complicit in the lie.
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