Rivian vs Scout

[Christopher1000]

Exists vs Doesn't

I was an early Rivian reservation holder, two years before launch. I'm not sure if your point holds much water on a Rivian thread haha

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[Christopher1000]

Agree, it's definitely a PITA. I would even buy EV if I was driving long distances all the time, let alone towing. Between cost of L3 charging and inconvenience, I wouldn't. But EVs work very well for me since I don't do a lot of road trips.

Rev comes at a price premium though and it limits sales. We are talking about taking an expensive thing(BEV) and then making it more expensive.

I thought about that, but I don't think they CAN charge a premium if they want to sell in these market conditions. Maybe in the end they can't cover costs in these conditions and it will never come to market as some on here suggested.

 

[Throwdown]

The same loud as any other v6 at 5k rpm, not too bad since it would only be for a limited time. Full rated output is 130kw, towing a trailer at 1mi/kwh means the generator has to run at about half output to provide enough energy. I’d take that all day over stopping every two hours to charge for an hour.

Im not going to begin to try to explain to you engine load shift points, it wouldnt operate the way you think it would which is why no late model E-rev vehicle even exists. Scout and Ram rev/ramcharger will not likely ever be produced. There is a reason the Volt died and the Bolt exists to this day.

 

[Throwdown]

You're citing old info.. this is 2026 and the battery recall campaign and the software/hardware fix is available... below is the official NHTSA status for my 2024 4xe. 68C is the battery recall, I had it performed back the spring of this year.

FWIW- no dealer in the USA is allowed to sell a vehicle with an open/no-remedy NHTSA safety recall on it. When there was no "Remedy" for the Jeep battery issue every single Jeep dealer had a national "Stop Sale" on the 4xe line. You could not purchase one at any Jeep or even used car dealership. Once 68C was approved and the inspections done, Jeep dealers could once again sell 4xe vehicles just like they can today. Just more proof for you that there are no unresolved Jeep 4xe recall ongoing at this time.

Anyway, I'm not going to belabor the point, because this is a Scout thread, but there are no current battery recalls on Jeeps if you had 68C performed.

There are, but im not interested in overtaking the thread more than I have already.

 

[lefkonj]

Scout might hit the chopping block based on the VW rumors at this point. They are struggling with EVs in general not sure what happens with Scout or VW product line up at all.

it will compete with the R1 if it makes it to market but with no one actually driving one yet it is hard to tell.

 

[jrmbadger]

I wish Scout would have focused on 800v and ultra fast 1MW charging like they have in China instead of the erv. Maybe licensed BYD tech and used their VW connections to upgrade the chargers on Electrify America. Being able to “fill up” in like 10 minutes would really give them an advantage

 

[Thedude]

Im not going to begin to try to explain to you engine load shift points, it wouldnt operate the way you think it would which is why no late model E-rev vehicle even exists. Scout and Ram rev/ramcharger will not likely ever be produced. There is a reason the Volt died and the Bolt exists to this day.

Yes massa, wise and knowledgeable are you. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

 

[usulio]

How do you think the Scout Terra (extended range e+gas) will do compared to the R1? Very similar looks, Scout is more Retro and has the gas generator option. Volkswagen owed and thus a significant technology influence from Rivian.

I think there could be a big market for a American "truck people" to have their first EV be a full-size pickup (larger than R1T) with buttons and the Scout aesthetic (not Tesla touchscreen aesthetic) and is an EREV that can basically fall back to operating like a gas vehicle. I would personally rather see Scout ditch the EREV and just offer the BEVs, but I do think it has the potential to pay off huge.

When Scout first announced my reaction was the vehicle was worth way more than their price point which was $60k. I still think so and there has been inflation since then and more to come. Also rumors that achieving the EREV capabilities without compromising specs has been a challenge.

 

[Zathras]

If it was International Harvester I might be interested.

 

[Zathras]

Im not going to begin to try to explain to you engine load shift points, it wouldnt operate the way you think it would which is why no late model E-rev vehicle even exists. Scout and Ram rev/ramcharger will not likely ever be produced. There is a reason the Volt died and the Bolt exists to this day.

The Volt died because it was a massive fire danger and GM did not want the liability. That’s why they called in all the leases, donated 40 to universities and other institutions, and scrapped all but the single model that they couldn’t claw back.

 

[DCFC]

Most people don't tow with EVs, but at least with a gas option you wouldn't get stuck in the middle of no where or unable to finish a trip because no chargers?

Remember a goal of the infrastructure bill and NEVI funding was to have DCFC every 50 miles. Hopefully, that gets back up and running.

 

[rodhx]

The Volt died because it was a massive fire danger and GM did not want the liability. That’s why they called in all the leases, donated 40 to universities and other institutions, and scrapped all but the single model that they couldn’t claw back.

Whatever vehicle you're talking about wasn't the Volt. There are tons of Volts still on the road.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

The Volt died because it was a massive fire danger and GM did not want the liability. That’s why they called in all the leases, donated 40 to universities and other institutions, and scrapped all but the single model that they couldn’t claw back.

You’re thinking of the GM EV1.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

I don’t necessarily disagree but the factory is being built (slowly).

If* they come to market, I’m only interested in the BEV version and how it compares to whatever Gen of Rivian at that time and whether VW dealers will be service centers.

“Scout EV production has been delayed multiple times, with the latest reports indicating that the Traveler SUV is now expected to begin production in 2028 and the Terra pickup in 2030, which is significantly later than the original schedule.”

Scout Terra is turning into the next CyberTruck as far as timelines go (prototypes shown in 2024). Sadly I think R3 might slip to this timeline too, as Rivian focuses on the R2. They can make so much more money scaling up the R2, creating variants (R2X), exporting it to Europe and the UK, etc. Everything hinges on the Georgia Plant of course. Hyundai is already down there churning out EVs.

“Scout Motors plans to sell vehicles directly to consumers and service them itself, bypassing franchised dealerships, which has led to lawsuits from dealer groups claiming this violates franchise agreements and harms their businesses. The company insists it operates independently from Volkswagen’s dealership network despite being backed by Volkswagen AG.”

Sounds like that’s a no-go for being serviced at VW dealerships/service centers.

 

[SuperNintendoChalmers]

Why would you say that? Some believe the extended range vehicles will be more desirable in America than regular EVs? Ram has the Ram Rev coming out this year (700 miles!)

Anecdotal evidence, but I have multiple friends who have been extremely gun-shy about EVs who LOVE the Scout and are only willing to give it a shot because of the extended range. It feels like a natural bridge for those who are hesitant to try new auto tech or suffer from range anxiety.

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