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Hello all,
Thought I'd post the full details on lease math below, as this isn't readily available and I had questions on money factor and residual, that you really don't see until you get the lease to sign. My delivery is June 20th, and this morning (June 18), I completed the last Task of sending payment. Within an hour, I had an e-mail with the lease documents to sign, containing this detail. This is a 36 month lease with 12,000 miles.

A quick note: trading in my Tesla Model Y, so I get the $3,000 electric refresh credit. I also wanted a Dual Max, and even though the current promotion is $5,000 off for Dual Large + Performance Upgrade, my guide applied the $5,000 credit on a Max + Perf Upgrade. Those discounts, the EV lease credit of $7,500, and the large trade-in value are why you see the total monthly lease payment so low.

I added a schedule at the bottom as to how I'm thinking about an immediate lease buyout, as I was following another another post on this topic. Would love any feedback - I think the math is the Total Rent Charges divided by the three year lease is my annual "interest expense". Divide that into the Residual that I'd have to pay now (additional capital), and that gets my the implied return on this investment of 4.96%. In other words, could I do better than 4.96%, after tax, by using this cash on investments? The answer there is likely "Yes", but not by much if you assume equities earn ~8% annually, pre-tax. By buying out early, I also lose optionality - if this residual ends up being too high three years, I've done worse by buying out now. So my thinking is that I will not buy this out - I could probably do a bit better using this cash to buy SPY and I keep optionality to return this vehicle after three years.



RS1 Dual$83,900.00
Max Battery$6,000.00
Performance Upgrade$5,000.00
Forest Green Paint$2,500.00
Sound + Vision$2,500.00
Vehicle Subtotal$99,900.00
- Electric Refresh-$3,000.00
- Goodwill-$5,000.00
Vehicle Subtotal Net of Credits$91,900.00
Destination Fee$1,800.00
Gross Capitalized Cost$93,700.00
Gross Capitalized Cost$93,700.00
- Capitalized Cost Reduction$34,140.01
Adjusted Capitalized Cost$59,559.99
Residual Value$56,952.0057.01%Residual to Vehicle Subtotal
Depreciation$2,607.99Adj. Cap Cost - Residual
Rent Charge$8,472.45
Total Base of Monthly Payments$11,080.44Depr + Rent Charge
Lease Payments36
Base Lease Payment$307.79Total Base / # of pmts
+ Sales/Use Tax$15.39
Total Monthly Lease Payment$323.18
Capitalized Cost Reduction:
Trade-in$26,140.01
Deposit Credit$500.00
EV Leae Credit$7,500.00
Capitalized Cost Reduction$34,140.01
Money Factor:
Rent Charges Ă· 36$235.35
(Adj. Capitalized Cost + Residual)$116,512
Money Factor0.00202
as APR (Mult. by 2400)4.85% APR
Due at Signing:
First Month Payment$323.18
Taxes$1,774.25
Acquisition Fee$895.00
Documentation Fee$450.00
Title & Registration Fees$7.20
Down Payment$26,140.00
Due at Signing$29,589.63
Buyout Lease Immediately?
Rent Charge$8,472.45
Annualized Rent Charge$2,824.15
Residual + Purchase Option Fee ($0)$56,952.00
Implied Return4.96%
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the math seems sound.

I also agree with the decision to keep optionality. While used R1S has had crazy high resale value the last couple of years, I see that going down in the future because: 1)R1S supply will be going up as 2023 leases roll off, and 2) R2 will become available next year. R2 is a different product category, but a big part of R1S appeal is the design, and i think a ton of potential R1S buyers will cross shop R2
 

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Your bio lists you in Colorado. I thought that CO gets a state tax credit. Is that not the case?
 
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Your bio lists you in Colorado. I thought that CO gets a state tax credit. Is that not the case?
The value of the R1S/R1T makes it ineligible for the CO EV state credit. There is a state program for Innovative Truck Credit which should apply (should, maybe?) due to both R1S and R1T being over the GVWR requirement, but many in CO have posted here that they've applied, been denied, appealed, and then some have gotten the credit, while others have not. That's a $3,500 credit.

Rivian does not provide any of those credits at point of sale like the federal $7,500 EV rebate.
However, I did just get an e-mail from Tesla literally today saying they will give this Innovative Motor and Truck credit at delivery, so maybe that's something Rivian is working on too.
 

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the math seems sound.

I also agree with the decision to keep optionality. While used R1S has had crazy high resale value the last couple of years, I see that going down in the future because: 1)R1S supply will be going up as 2023 leases roll off, and 2) R2 will become available next year. R2 is a different product category, but a big part of R1S appeal is the design, and i think a ton of potential R1S buyers will cross shop R2
Crazy high resale? I’m sorry but in what world? My 2024 Quad/Large was $92k and is now worth around $70k a year later. I wouldn’t call a 25% 1 year depreciation as crazy high. That’s pretty standard for luxury vehicles.
 

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Crazy high resale? I’m sorry but in what world? My 2024 Quad/Large was $92k and is now worth around $70k a year later. I wouldn’t call a 25% 1 year depreciation as crazy high. That’s pretty standard for luxury vehicles.
Lol fair, not "crazy" high maybe it's just high compared to BMW/Volvo
 

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Lol fair, not "crazy" high maybe it's just high compared to BMW/Volvo
25% about what I expected. When the new quad comes out, I’m assuming it will drop another 20% or so.

My wife’s Volvo does have crazy high resale. We got it new 2022 XC60 B6 for 46k, still worth around 35-40k 3 years later.
 
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I’m am debating basically the same car and lease deal and possibly buying it out. Trading in my Y as well. They gave me a really good trade in offer for the Y and then added $2000 more to get me to order, on top of the $3000 EV credit, $5000 max/performance credit, and $7500 fed credit. Really wish I could have gotten the $5000 credit without getting the performance upgrade. I can live without that.

I like my Y and it’s paid off so not sure I want to get a much more expensive vehicle. However, while completely different vehicles, the R1S seems way nicer and better for family road trips based on size, range and comfort.

i have never leased before so I am hesitant, but the lease deal seems almost too good to pass up.Also, while I can afford it no problem, I am hesitant on purchasing such an expensive vehicle, not many cars like this around where I live and don’t want to stand out.
Let me know what you decide.
 

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Also, I wish I could get the car with the 20” all seasons. The 22” wheels/tires make me nervous about ride comfort, winter driving, and very limited and expense tire replacement options. Not sure why they force the 22s on all of these.
 
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I’m am debating basically the same car and lease deal and possibly buying it out. Trading in my Y as well. They gave me a really good trade in offer for the Y and then added $2000 more to get me to order, on top of the $3000 EV credit, $5000 max/performance credit, and $7500 fed credit. Really wish I could have gotten the $5000 credit without getting the performance upgrade. I can live without that.

I like my Y and it’s paid off so not sure I want to get a much more expensive vehicle. However, while completely different vehicles, the R1S seems way nicer and better for family road trips based on size, range and comfort.

i have never leased before so I am hesitant, but the lease deal seems almost too good to pass up.Also, while I can afford it no problem, I am hesitant on purchasing such an expensive vehicle, not many cars like this around where I live and don’t want to stand out.
Let me know what you decide.
Very similar - they made a very good offer for my MY and part of the reason I started to look was that I am concerned about resale value of the MY. The better time to sell would have been many months ago, but with Elon, the very high inventory, and now this new senate bill that says it will kill the dealer lease EV credit, it feels like resale value on my Tesla could get meaningfully worse.

I very much had the same concerns too - the economy is not strong, world war III seems to start every other day... not the best time to make a significant purchase. But that also feeds into why there are deals to be had. The money factor/cost of debt on the lease is pretty reasonable, and it is a three year commitment of not that significant of dollars after the trade in. So I got myself beyond these risks. I won't be buying it out immediately though.

Delivery is tomorrow, so fingers crossed it goes well.
 

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I see you live in Colorado. Do you plan on getting a separate set of winter wheels/tires for the winter? I hate doing that due to storage issues, etc…but not sure if it will be it will be necessary with the 22” tires. Really wish they would let me swap with the 20” all season Goodyear tires.
 

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the math seems sound.

I also agree with the decision to keep optionality. While used R1S has had crazy high resale value the last couple of years, I see that going down in the future because: 1)R1S supply will be going up as 2023 leases roll off, and 2) R2 will become available next year. R2 is a different product category, but a big part of R1S appeal is the design, and i think a ton of potential R1S buyers will cross shop R2
3 row SUV demand will continue to remain high. An efficient 3 row SUV? Even higher. A 2025 Honda Pilot imo is great value, until you start driving it because MPG is awful - reportedly 14-22, city/highway. The R1S is in a league of its own (no one wants to buy a Kia), especially if you get the Max Pack. Now that the EV Credit is eliminated (both for purchase and lease), the used market for R1S will be hot, unless Rivian aggressively slashes prices, but I don’t see that happening unless they wish to go bankrupt.
 

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Very similar - they made a very good offer for my MY and part of the reason I started to look was that I am concerned about resale value of the MY. The better time to sell would have been many months ago, but with Elon, the very high inventory, and now this new senate bill that says it will kill the dealer lease EV credit, it feels like resale value on my Tesla could get meaningfully worse.

I very much had the same concerns too - the economy is not strong, world war III seems to start every other day... not the best time to make a significant purchase. But that also feeds into why there are deals to be had. The money factor/cost of debt on the lease is pretty reasonable, and it is a three year commitment of not that significant of dollars after the trade in. So I got myself beyond these risks. I won't be buying it out immediately though.

Delivery is tomorrow, so fingers crossed it goes well.
If you don’t have cash to buy it out, and plan on financing, do NOT buy it out. Makes no sense. That MF rate is reasonable and a fair amount of interest for optionality and the benefits that come with a lease.
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