Max Pack delayed to 2024 according to configurator / email ?

[Fred6v]

Shouting into the void won't make max pack come sooner. Obviously a drag but the engineering is challenging given weight vs existing battery chemistry. There is a possible win here, if you check out that interview just posted on rivian stories, Tony referred to new info for max packers forthcoming in a couple weeks. He mentioned new battery chemistry, if that means move to LiFepho that's a win given better battery longevity and dual motors certainly means longer range with possibility of marginal decrease in performance.

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[zefram47]

He mentioned new battery chemistry, if that means move to LiFepho that's a win given better battery longevity and dual motors certainly means longer range with possibility of marginal decrease in performance.

There's basically zero chance of seeing LFP for the Max Pack because the energy density isn't close enough to the current NCM chemistry. That's why they only announced LFP for the Standard pack where they have plenty of room and the weight won't matter as much.

 

[André]

If the Max Pack need more engineering, why are they saying a dual motors Max Pack will start shipping in 2023 ? The extra batteries were going to be fitted under the back seats, aren’t they ? How can 2 less motors makes such a difference that they can fit the batteries for the Max Pack ? If it’s really the only way to fit them, then they have no practical solution for it in the 4 motors version OR they simply don’t want to make it at the pre-march pricing…

 

[emoore]

If the Max Pack need more engineering, why are they saying a dual motors Max Pack will start shipping in 2023 ? The extra batteries were going to be fitted under the back seats, aren’t they ? How can 2 less motors makes such a difference that they can fit the batteries for the Max Pack ? If it’s really the only way to fit them, then they have no practical solution for it in the 4 motors version OR they simply don’t want to make it at the pre-march pricing…

No one outside Rivian really knows but my guess is that the max pack will be 800v and the new motors are 800v. The quad motor might still be the Bosch 400v ones. They probably had a quantity buy to get a cheaper price and want to use up the 400v motors. This is all just speculation.

 

[Arky]

I pre-ordered the Cybertruck Dec. 1, 2019. Tesla stated the Cybertruck will have 500+ MILES. Inside info has stated the Cybertruck may be available with 610 miles range...!!!
And Rivian CANNOT EVEN MAKE A 400 MILE+ MAX PACK...
....... I'M REALLY PISSED...!!!.......

Considering the Cybertruck is still vaporware with an unknown price and spec maybe we should wait to see them actually around before we start getting pissed

 

[DJG]

Also, in the Munro YT video on the motors they (at ~19:00) covered the fact that Rivian’s Bosch Motor solution involves a single-Rivian inverter housing running inverter ”operation” to each of the side-by-side motors (in the quad-motor setup).

However, Tesla’s inverter solution is 1-inverter-per-motor; this allows for Tesla to scale their total builds for far faster quantities/efficiencies/cost-savings & they can deploy unique motor deployments without a new inverter supply-chain per motor setup (dual vs. quad); they don’t need different components or different tooling for each dual or quad-motor design on the assembly this way (~19:00 mark):


The 1-inverter for each of the two motors at the axel model that Rivian adopted was probably necessary for them to do in-house engine design for the Enduro motors, but it handicapped them here: they are locked into to the Quad-motor assembly with their current supply of inverters, so some Quad-motor max pack orders are quoted as early as 2023 (I think I saw these on Reddit somewhere? Or are those ONLY the dual-motor Enduros that got late 2023 timeframe quotes today? someone correct me here if I have that wrong).

Anyway, fascinating implications of otherwise routine design choices that might have seemed opportune when they originally roadmapped their entire product line.

All quad max's are scheduled for 2024. Dual Max is slated to being Summer 2023. I would expect that once all vehicles are on in house motors, they will have the invertor design that makes the most sense.

What Munro failed to pick up on is that Tesla does not have a quad motor setup, so the only possible solution for them is one invertor for every motor. It would have been silly to have a shared invertor on the dual motor rear axle and a dedicated one on the front. Having quad motors with symmetry front and rear gives you the opportunity to make that decision.

 

[DJG]

No one outside Rivian really knows but my guess is that the max pack will be 800v and the new motors are 800v. The quad motor might still be the Bosch 400v ones. They probably had a quantity buy to get a cheaper price and want to use up the 400v motors. This is all just speculation.

They've been clear that all motors will be in house ASAP. They don't want to rely on suppliers for any key components, which are the three key competitive advantages of a EV company - battery, powertrain and software.

 

[maverick92]

They've been clear that all motors will be in house ASAP. They don't want to rely on suppliers for any key components, which are the three key competitive advantages of a EV company - battery, powertrain and software.

I'll add that the in-house motors are absolutely critical in reducing Rivian's production costs, not just for the R1T and R1S but for future downmarket models in development.

 

[DJG]

I'll add that the in-house motors are absolutely critical in reducing Rivian's production costs, not just for the R1T and R1S but for future downmarket models in development.

Definitely. Those three things are by far the most expensive parts of the product, and in house will almost always be cheaper than outsourcing (you just have to have the scale).

 

[Trekkie]

I'm not surprised, but this pushes my Chevy pre-order up the list. with their 800V charging on twin 400v systems plan, that really makes it appealing as a tower of things. One can hope the delay means that would come from Rivian as well. Seems like a win/win for large batteries. The Silverado EV is a 'meh' for me as it's too big, I prefer the shorter size of the R1T.

Just solidifies my bought a LR Defender this year plan. I currently have R1S and R1T on pre-order. The R1S looks like it'll win first, but with the dropping of the green interior on the compass yellow which was my favorite combination I'm a bit bummed, combine that with the disappearance of the kitchen / tent options, even on the Max Packs, my enthusiasm for these vehicles is dropping.

 

[ESTRUCK]

Looks like GM will be first with a 400 mile truck. Maybe first 2.

I have a deposit for the Chevy Silverado RST EV due in mid 2023. That will have the 400 mile range and you can charge your home for up to 21 days off a fully charged truck. Nice touch no generators needed after a major outage.

 

[WarehouseWilly]

The R1T is worth the wait. There is nothing that holds up in comparison.

 

[emoore]

I have a deposit for the Chevy Silverado RST EV due in mid 2023. That will have the 400 mile range and you can charge your home for up to 21 days off a fully charged truck. Nice touch no generators needed after a major outage.

While I think GM can ramp faster than Rivian, I’m going to guess that there won’t be a 400 mile truck EV until 2024.

 

[ESTRUCK]

While I think GM can ramp faster than Rivian, I’m going to guess that there won’t be a 400 mile truck EV until 2024.

According to GM yes 400 mile range on a full charge and will start deliveries in 2023 as a 2024 model. I am in the first 200 preorders so lets see. I want the Rivian, however I think 6 years of waiting for something that might not materialize or gets pushed back again or options removed is at my threshold of patience.

 

[AbhorViolence]

As a Max Pack preorder holder since March 2019, I agree.

I really do wonder if they will ever build it.

And, let's say they do deliver it in April 2024. I will have waited 5 years! I must be nuts.

Well, time to go look for a clean used ICE pickup this weekend, no sense trying to nurse the old ICE P/U any longer.

Yeah I been hoping to limp by with my 1998, 250k mi beat up work truck Tacoma for another year.. now likely 2 years. Going to be real tough. Still want to hold out for Max Pack since I'll be towing a lot, but this is really testing me.. of course that's what Rivian what's, more of us to cancel or switch to better margin products. Sucks but I'm still waiting for now.

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