Does Rivian work with Tesla Supercharger outside the US?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Dumb question but I haven't seen it posted elsewhere. Can a Rivian with the Tesla adapter charge at a Tesla "Supercharger" station in China? How 'bout in Europe?

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[IdaX]

China and Europe use different connectors -- so you'd need a different adapted than the NACS to CCS1 one.

 

[COdogman]

Superchargers in Europe use CCS ironically

Can all Tesla vehicle owners use the Supercharger network in Europe?

Yes. The Supercharger network is available to all Tesla vehicle owners.
All V3 Superchargers in Europe feature single-cable CCS technology that is compatible with every Model 3, Model Y and Model S or Model X vehicles built in May 2019 or later. To access V3 Supercharging with a pre-May 2019 Model S or Model X vehicle, request a CCS Combo 2 Upgrade quote from your local Service Center.
All V2 Superchargers in Europe feature dual-cable posts to accommodate both DC Type 2 and CCS Combo 2 charge-ports.

https://www.tesla.com/en_ie/support/charging/supercharger

 

[Budman]

Somewhat related question. I’m planning a trip to Canada this summer. Is there anything different I would need to do to use superchargers there or is it exactly the same across the border?

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

In north America we use CCS1. Europe uses CCS2.... different connector. Also, Rivian isn't sold in Europe. Tesla likely hasn't enabled Rivian on the back end for these locations since they aren't sold there.

You would need a CCS2 to CCS1 adapter even if all else were good.

There appear to be CCS1 to CCS2 but I only see one in a quick Google search that converts the other way and it doesn't look very safe to me.

https://www.setec-power.com/product/ccs-combo-2-to-ccs-combo-1-adapter/

I'm not terribly familiar with Tesla charging in Europe however I do know that they rolled out dual superchargers. I believe the model S used the NACS connector but then they went with CCS2 for the 3, X, and Y. Someone with more EU travel experience will have to chime in on that.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/03/22/tesla-opens-more-superchargers-in-europe-for-3rd-party-use/

 

[oskeei]

Somewhat related question. I’m planning a trip to Canada this summer. Is there anything different I would need to do to use superchargers there or is it exactly the same across the border?

The tesla app says units by Toronto are open to Ford and Rivian, just need adapter. Getting dragged by daughter to a kpop concert in Toronto this summer so will get to validate in person..

 

[HaveBlue]

None of the Tesla superchargers in Mexico are enabled for us though Mexico is part of North America. ?

Ccs2 superchargers work with all cars in the EU. I think the app is used to initiate.

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

In north America we use CCS1. Europe uses CCS2.... different connector. Also, Rivian isn't sold in Europe. Tesla likely hasn't enabled Rivian on the back end for these locations since they aren't sold there.

You would need a CCS2 to CCS1 adapter even if all else were good.

There appear to be CCS1 to CCS2 but I only see one in a quick Google search that converts the other way and it doesn't look very safe to me.

https://www.setec-power.com/product/ccs-combo-2-to-ccs-combo-1-adapter/

I'm not terribly familiar with Tesla charging in Europe however I do know that they rolled out dual superchargers. I believe the model S used the NACS connector but then they went with CCS2 for the 3, X, and Y. Someone with more EU travel experience will have to chime in on that.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/03/22/tesla-opens-more-superchargers-in-europe-for-3rd-party-use/

Thanks for the detailed response and the picture! I'm kinda slow sometimes so appreciate those. ?

It would be interesting to hear if someone has imported their Rivian to Europe, and what their experience has been. Probably not too common yet though, haha.

 

[TNutz]

None of the Tesla superchargers in Mexico are enabled for us though Mexico is part of North America. ?

Ccs2 superchargers work with all cars in the EU. I think the app is used to initiate.

Exactly, there is no need for a Tesla adapter because EU forced Elon to produce all Tesla’s sold there with ccS2. So NACS isn’t a thing in EU.

 

[HaveBlue]

NACS would be just as crummy as CCS1 in the EU because neither supports 3 phase. That's why the EU made them use CCS2 also. Honestly, NACS as a long term connector is a mistake. We could all get potentially faster Level 2 AC at the same amperage. Most big commercial buildings already have it available.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

NACS would be just as crummy as CCS1 in the EU because neither supports 3 phase. That's why the EU made them use CCS2 also. Honestly, NACS as a long term connector is a mistake. We could all get potentially faster Level 2 AC at the same amperage. Most big commercial buildings already have it available.

NACS supports 277v charging on non transformed 480v 3 phase. That means a 13.3 kw charge rate at 48 amps vs 11.6 on 240v and only 10lw on 208v three phase.

I the vehicle has to support this as well which I believe newer Tesla vehicles do. This is a huge benefit to commercial installations in the US as they will be able to install chargers directly to their 480v service vs using transformed power. Should lower the cost for them and provide more EV charging options. Plus it's a faster charge.

The 208v is why charging is so much slower at L2 in many business locations. BTW to get kw you multiply voltage by amps. ?

I don't know much about EU power so this is just for the US.

 

[HaveBlue]

277v is still single phase into the EV unfortunately but you are correct that there's increased kWh due to the higher voltage with the same amperage. A nice perk.

An EU type 2 connector has provisions for three phase directly into the EV. 3 phase is readily available at many residential properties in the EU. The same 60A breaker size can yield 40-50kw without expensive DC conversion equipment.

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