Carplay? Next?

[AdamUCF]

They don't include AC for free, it's part of the price of the vehicle (the price is the sum of all the parts). If it didn't have AC, I would certainly expect to pay less for it.

This whole argument is so amazingly nonsensical. Why did they add pet mode without charging for it? Battery preconditioning? All the other features that are supposed to be coming in the future? Just like these, the only cost to Rivian is development time.

I don't plan on using kneel mode. Why would anyone need this? Just use a step ladder or jump or leave your truck in sport mode. If you want such a thing you should have to pay for it! Or how about you just try being a little taller. Not my fault you are short! If you think it's too hard to get in the Rivian maybe you should buy a Corolla.

Now I'm going to go around in every thread that someone mentions kneel mode or otherwise making it easier to get in/out of the truck and copypasta the same tired argument ad nausea.

The funny thing is kneel mode might actually cause more air suspension failures and real world costs for Rivian but no one is raging against that.

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[SoCal Rob]

This whole argument is so amazingly nonsensical. Why did they add pet mode without charging for it? Battery preconditioning? All the other features that are supposed to be coming in the future? Just like these, the only cost to Rivian is development time.

I don't plan on using kneel mode. Why would anyone need this? Just use a step ladder or jump or leave your truck in sport mode. If you want such a thing you should have to pay for it! Or how about you just try being a little taller. Not my fault you are short! If you think it's too hard to get in the Rivian maybe you should buy a Corolla.

Now I'm going to go around in every thread that someone mentions kneel mode or otherwise making it easier to get in/out of the truck and copypasta the same tired argument ad nausea.

The funny thing is kneel mode might actually cause more air suspension failures and real world costs for Rivian but no one is raging against that.

Yeah, I share your frustration. I just don’t understand the need to argue against optional features. If Rivian came out with a poll tomorrow asking customers to choose a path going forward: either a native system OR screen projection (AA and CP) but you can’t have both then I could see people digging in their heels. But screen projection is optional and they aren’t forcing it on anyone. Maybe some people think that talking others out of AA/CP is possible with the given conditions (it’s not) and if that quiets those AA/CP folks down then Rivian won’t get any feedback about people wanting this. With no feedback of course Rivian won’t want to add it. Job done!

Is that possibly the thought process here? I‘m just curious about motivation since it’s starting to feel beyond argumentative bordering on troll-like to me. If you’re trying to convince other people that you know their needs and wants better than they do (AA/CP, captain’s chairs for second row of R1S, kneel mode, Driver+, opening sunroof/removable roof/metal roof, etc.) that is an argument that you will not win in most cases. If there is an alternate solution then propose it. Otherwise, examine your motivations for trying to force other people to believe that you know their lives better than they do.

 

[MNLightning]

I'd add to this that providing CP/AA is a zero value add feature, in the sense that it is not proprietary and is available on 99% of the rest of the market. It's a commodity, and has become ubiquitous with most automakers because they largely make commodity vehicles, and when you do that, there is an arms race to add more and more commodities to your commodity to one up the competition. It's a losing strategy and is why the market values those companies for what they are, manufacturers of commodity products with correspondingly low margins. CP/AA has not provided any of them with extraordinary growth or improved margins, because everyone has it.

So given that, it makes sense to focus attention and resources on innovation to create proprietary and value adding features in your product that can't be replicated (quickly at least) by the competition and therefore allow you to capture excess profit. Rivian has done that with their current vehicles, there isn't a single other brand, other than Tesla, that has such a dominant position of strength in their product category vs. competitors (don't mistake supply constrained current sales with market positioning). Tesla used to, but that has started to wane as the advantage of their charging network (which is ultimately a commodity too in the long run, it's not much more than a utility provider) and the availability of similar vehicles (there are currently no similar vehicles to a Rivian like there are to a Tesla). But they are still close with Rivian based on brand strength and way ahead of the rest of the field. Ford will soon have to compete with Chevy and Ram in the full size BEV work truck segment, just as they have since the dawn of time, and those will follow history and largely be interchangeable commodity products that rely on CP/AA for their infotainment systems (which many people will like but provides no value to prevent customers from buying a competing product). As competition increases, they will have to return to relying on cost optimizing measures to maintain profitability as they always have, which leads to worse product.

LOL, you have to quote yourself... You state your opinions as fact and sometimes you might be on base but your on the wrong field.

 

[emoore]

Why can’t I install Mac OS on a windows machine or chrome. They should make it optional but they don’t.

 

[MNLightning]

Yeah, I share your frustration. I just don’t understand the need to argue against optional features. If Rivian came out with a poll tomorrow asking customers to choose a path going forward: either a native system OR screen projection (AA and CP) but you can’t have both then I could see people digging in their heels. But screen projection is optional and they aren’t forcing it on anyone. Maybe some people think that talking others out of AA/CP is possible with the given conditions (it’s not) and if that quiets those AA/CP folks down then Rivian won’t get any feedback about people wanting this. With no feedback of course Rivian won’t want to add it. Job done!

Is that possibly the thought process here? I‘m just curious about motivation since it’s starting to feel beyond argumentative bordering on troll-like to me. If you’re trying to convince other people that you know their needs and wants better than they do (AA/CP, captain’s chairs for second row of R1S, kneel mode, Driver+, opening sunroof/removable roof/metal roof, etc.) that is an argument that you will not win in most cases. If there is an alternate solution then propose it. Otherwise, examine your motivations for trying to force other people to believe that you know their lives better than they do.

I'm with you on feeling certain folks aren't adding value and are more than a little hypocritical on this topic imho..

 

[frostbit3]

Why can’t I install Mac OS on a windows machine or chrome. They should make it optional but they don’t.

The irony here is that you can. It’s called a hackintosh. And Chrome OS is Linux and can be installed on pretty much anything. Troll harder

 

[emoore]

The irony here is that you can. It’s called a hackintosh. And Chrome OS is Linux and can be installed on pretty much anything. Troll harder

haha. Nice. Hackintosh is the answer. I’m sure someone can hack the Rivian OS too.

 

[AdamUCF]

Why can’t I install Mac OS on a windows machine or chrome. They should make it optional but they don’t.

Fail. No one is asking to run Ford Sync on the Rivian. Funny you mention Chrome... that runs just fine on Windows, Mac, Linux, etc.

 

[jemkewl]

 

[AxelR]

I got depressed reading that drive modes could be part of the monthly subscription.
The majority of people surveyed aren’t interested or willing to pay for additional features (especially physical ones like heated seats) on a monthly basis.
We bought 2 brand new BMWs a couple years ago. A M3 Comp with forever CarPlay and a X6 which only includes CarPlay for the first year (or 6 months or whatever). My wife loves her X6 and got pretty upset to say the least when CP stopped working (no more easy way to okay Audible or podcasts, needed to actually interact with the phone). Turns out she wasn’t the only one and after a couple months we got a letter from BMW saying that they would just offer CP for the life of the car. We used it a few months and sold both of our BMWs and moved to other brands.
Hopefully, Rivian doesn’t make similar mistakes.

 

[emoore]

Fail. No one is asking to run Ford Sync on the Rivian. Funny you mention Chrome... that runs just fine on Windows, Mac, Linux, etc.

Hmmmm chrome OS runs on a Mac?

 

[cbuckley]

I got depressed reading that drive modes could be part of the monthly subscription.
The majority of people surveyed aren’t interested or willing to pay for additional features (especially physical ones like heated seats) on a monthly basis.

Wait… motor vehicle companies have seriously considered charging subscription fees for the seat heaters that you already paid to have included in your vehicle?

 

[frostbit3]

Hmmmm chrome OS runs on a Mac?

Yes, as does Chrome, Windows, and Other distributions of Linux. Might want to stop speaking about things you don’t understand.

 

[AdamUCF]

Hmmmm chrome OS runs on a Mac?

Chrome, the browser, runs on Mac OS and Windows. Chrome OS, the stripped down operating system based around the browser can be installed on generic "Windows" hardware and Apple Mac hardware.

 

[emoore]

Yes, as does Chrome, Windows, and Other distributions of Linux. Might want to stop speaking about things you don’t understand.

Ok. Seems so easy. So I can just install chrome OS on my Mac? Without any hacks?

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