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Nothing particularly new here except perhaps the author's attitude toward the truck.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ric-ingenuity-but-don-t-depend-on-it-for-work

The $73,000 Electric Rivian R1T Is Cute, But It’s Not a Work Truck
Clever gimmicks like hidden flashlights, intelligent storage, and integrated camping gear will appeal to outdoors-y types. It’s just a little delicate around the edges.
By Hannah Elliott
September 28, 2021, 8:14 AM CDT

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The Rivian R1T "Launch Edition" starts at $73,000. Deliveries are currently underway.
Photographer: Elliot Ross

RJ Scaringe believes trucks can save the world.

That’s why the 38-year-old vegan spent years developing the R1T, the first-ever production vehicle from the company he founded 12 years ago.

After multiple production delays—the coronavirus pandemic, the semiconductor shortage, and the essential fact that Rivian had never made any production vehicles all contributed—I found myself driving the $73,000 R1T “Launch Edition” in the Rocky Mountains. It is, at long last, Scaringe’s message to the world: This is how we save the planet.

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Between the truck bed, frunk, storage bins, gear tunnels and more, the R1T offers 68 cubic feet of storage.
Photographer: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg

“For me, my central focus is climate and carbon,” Scaringe told me over a metal bowl of vegetable curry on Sept. 22 in Breckenridge, Colo. Rivian, which anticipates an $80 billion initial public offering this fall, is on the hook to deliver 100,000 electric vans to Amazon.com by 2030, had just announced it would start delivering R1Ts.

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The 11-cubic-foot front trunk displays Rivian’s ingenuity: It can be locked via the Rivian app, via the carabiner key fob, via the in-vehicle controls on the center display, or via the exterior button under the front lightbar. A cargo net helps store loose items; lights inside illuminate automatically; and a 12-volt outlet runs power from its interior.
Photographer: Elliot Ross

But how’s the truck?

Starting on Sept. 22, I spent three days inhabiting a Forest Green R1T. I crossed the continental divide on paved switchbacks and scaled unpaved shale-shingled peaks near a quite unbothered family of fluffy mountain goats. I ate all my meals from a $5,000 two-burner camp kitchen that fits into a gear tunnel beneath the vehicle.

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The 65-inch gear tunnel is large enough to fit a human—or some carry-on cases and tote bags. Its access doors can double as seats (they hold 300 pounds) or steps.
Photographer: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg

My first impression was that Scaringe and his tight-knit team did try to think of everything when they made it. It felt as if they had taken their own notes over many back-country climbing and biking trips, then made a vehicle to suit their own Patagonia-loving lifestyle. (Yes, those vertical headlights shaped like big biscotti are different; don’t judge them until you see them in real life, because they actually look pretty cool.)

But there remain some significant red flags waving at us from the truck bed of R1T as it cruises by. The discerning consumer would do well to pause to consider them before making a blind—and I do mean blind, as sales are currently restricted to online—purchase. Let’s discuss.

Not a Work Truck
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A camp kitchen includes a two-burner electric cooktop and a four-gallon water tank. The $5,000 package also has a 30-piece kitchen set including coffee drip and grinder, water kettle, and cutlery set.
Photographer: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg

Laden with vegan-leather seats and an all-glass panoramic roof, the R1T is no workhorse. Its front end will not sustain a snow plow; its 16-inch center touchscreen should not get wet and won’t respond to input from gloved fingers; and its stiff, not-very-adjustable seats lack the comfort of the premium work rigs that double as offices and conference rooms for contractors on the move.

After nine hours during my longest day of driving, my neck and shoulders felt like they had been wedged into rear-row coach status on a transatlantic flight.

Scaringe wants you to believe that this is a truck for campers and climbers, and Rivian did pack enough treats inside to surprise and delight the demanding outdoor enthusiast. At the beginning of my test, I happily stuffed my carry-ons, duffel bags, coats, and scarves into the lockable 11.6-cubic-foot gear tunnel that runs the width of the truck.

It’s an elegant solution for secure storage without eating into rear-seat legroom, and its doors also double as seats. A full-size storage space under the bed of the truck gives an additional 14.3 cubic feet for luggage and gear.

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The R1T offers Independent air suspension, active damping, and electro-hydraulic roll-control systems designed to help the rig over uneven terrain. Four electric motors deliver instant power and adjust torque at each wheel for precise control over varied conditions.
Photographer: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg

Elsewhere, the 11-cubic-foot frunk displays Rivian ingenuity: The large storage space can be locked either by using the carabiner key fob, in-vehicle controls on the center display, an exterior button under the front lightbar, or the Rivian app. A cargo net helps store loose items, and lights inside illuminate automatically. A 12-volt outlet runs power from its deep recess.

This is the work of people who live the life they’re trying to sell you. I am already predicting a Rivian x Patagonia special edition, like the kind Ford did with Eddie Bauer back in the day. (Rose Marcario, the former chief executive officer of Patagonia, is a Rivian board member.)

Treats for Every Adventurer
Part of the R1T’s charm is its cleverness: The standard removable Bluetooth speaker stored in the center of the console doubled as a lantern as we ate tacos off the camp kitchen at night. The driver’s side door holds a torch flashlight like the umbrellas that Rolls-Royce first installed in its coaches.

The rear contains a standard air compressor that I used to refill my tires after coming off the rocks we crossed on the trail near Lake Dillon and the Old West town of Montezuma. (We had let some air out earlier to help improve traction.)

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For off-roading, Rivian offers an approach angle of 34 degrees, a departure angle of 29.3 degrees, a breakover angle of 25.7 degrees, and a fording height maximum of 42.7 inches .
Photographer: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg

The ground covered was not the most extreme I’ve had for an electric vehicle or off-roader. Leave that distinction to the boulders I climbed in Moab in the electric and hybrid Jeep Wranglers and the week I spent in Death Valley dunes in the Rolls-Royce Cullinan. But the R1T proved capable enough in its Off-Road, All-Purpose, Sport, and Conserve modes, which adjust the power, braking, ride height, stiffness, and handling to enhance the truck’s ability.

With nearly 15 inches of clearance, it had me crawling over gullies and up hard-packed inclines with little effort. I loved the shape and feel of the steering wheel and the craftsmanship of the natural-grain ash-wood trim along the doors and dashboard. The cabin seal proved quiet as I plunged through the wilderness. Rivian’s fit-and-finish elements and build quality are better than what Tesla has given us to this point.

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Ten exterior cameras, plus one inside, help keep the driver appraised of every point around the vehicle. The truck also uses five radars and 12 ultra sonic sensors for lane changing and other crash-avoidance systems.
Photographer: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg

But it is expensive to be so seductive. The $73,000 starting price of the R1T I drove didn’t include such other practical things as the three-person tent with cargo crossbars ($2,650), wall charger ($500) or camp kitchen ($5,000). The upcoming Ford F-150 Lightning, for comparison, starts at a far more affordable $39,974.

A less-loaded R1T “Explore” version is due out in January 2022 if Rivian can produce it on time. That one starts at $67,500.

On the Trail
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The 16-inch center display controls navigation, climate, audio, visual, vehicle controls, cameras, and drive modes. There are virtually no buttons or knobs inside the vehicle.
Photographer: Elliot Ross

I drove the R1T 200 highway miles round trip (periodically switching driving duties with another journalist) between Breckenridge and Denver, so I can attest that the R1T is quick—very quick. Its 800-plus horsepower and 900 pound-feet of torque from four electric motors easily pushed it to 100 mph as I glided past RVs lumbering down Loveland Pass. And that’s plenty of power for hauling—more than the F150 and its peers. Rivian says it will hit 60 mph in 3 seconds; it certainly felt so. Top speed will be electronically limited to 110 mph.

I experienced no anxiety related to range, which Rivian says is 314 miles on a single charge of its largest battery option. I found this to be a reliable estimate; in fact, on some segments of the off-road portion of my drive, the truck showed more charge on it than when I had begun, thanks to energy regeneration as I braked down steep grades.

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The R1T comes with vegan leather seats, a microfiber headliner, and lightweight Chilewich floormats. Additional interior trimmings are optional. It has four cupholders and six USB-C outlets to keep devices charged.
Photographer: Elliot Ross

My longest day over nine hours of driving saw the battery go from 215 miles to 89 miles of range. Towing another vehicle would, of course, have depleted the range far more (up to 50%) as would wheel size, which range from 20 to 22 inches and can deplete range an additional 15%. Using DC fast charging, you can add 140 miles of range in 20 minutes, Rivian says. It will take hours to recharge fully.

Unfortunately, as with several other absent applications, including the basic and essential hill-descent control, the truck lacked the ability to monitor actual battery life usage in real time on my trip. “No yet,” was the refrain from Rivian engineers when asked. Rivian offers neither Apple CarPlay nor Samsung connectivity.

Such applications as adaptive cruise control and highway assist required a car restart before they’d work properly. The Highway Assist was so sensitive about navigating gentle corners and speed that it works only if you’re going in a straight line or under the speed limit.

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The struggle is real, but someone’s got to do it.
Source: Hannah Elliott/Bloomberg
The custom Pirelli Scorpion All-Terrain tires also fared poorly. I got a flat cruising at 8 mph down an easy, straight grade when a small, sharp rock punctured the sidewall. Using the spare tire ($600 to $800, depending on wheel size) hidden in the truck bed, and aided by two Rivian employees, the switch took all of 10 minutes, but I wish Rivian had put as much thought into its antiquated, flimsy tire jack as it had the modern camp kitchen. Made from thin metal and a plastic, frisbee-type base, the apparatus would have been familiar to my grandfather.

It was after the flat that my windows started to fidget; the rubber lining inside had curled up improperly and was blocking them from rolling. I eventually could get them up in fits and starts, but not before poofs of fine dust coated the cabin. The windshield wipers in the Rivian truck ahead of me went on the fritz, erratically jerking while team members tried to remove a Go-Pro before it got knocked off.

“These are pre-production models,” the Rivian employees assured me. The trucks that customers get won’t have any of these pesky glitches, they promised. I look forward to hearing from those who paid the $1,000 deposit required to reserve one, neither seen nor driven.

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The truck can be unlocked using a carabiner-style key fob, a key card shaped like a credit card, a key band shaped like an Apple exercise monitor, or via an app on your smartphone.
Photographer: Elliot Ross

Caveat Emptor
Rivian (like all electric vehicle companies) still lacks a convenient charging network. Relying on existing CCS fast-charging stations, it installed additional chargers to support my test route. (The “Rivian Adventure” charging network will come at some point in the future, Rivian says.)

Rivian offers four service centers for the entire United States—one near LAX Airport, one in south San Francisco, one in the Seattle suburbs, and one in Brooklyn, N.Y. (Tesla has nearly 200.) Repairs on customer trucks will eventually be done via “mobile” repairmen, a spokesman told me, which sounds to me more like waiting for the cable guy than prompt and reliable service.

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The truck bed hides a spare tire, which costs $600 to $800, depending on the size.
Photographer: Elliot Ross

Rivian trucks have been run only in tightly controlled scenarios since their inception; they have yet to last even a month in real-world driving by real-world people. Meanwhile, dealership protection laws are blocking Rivian from conducting sales activities in several states.

Even if the R1T does prove rugged and reliable, I have yet to see any evidence that the core of America’s truck-loving customers will be taken by its altruistic promise. Scaringe will need at least some of those good ol’ boys to get into his rig if he is to have a real chance at fulfilling all that world-changing talk.

I am not a complete cynic. I hope that Scaringe and his band of true believers succeed with their plans to fix the world. But until we see more, I’ll keep my climate-saving efforts to driving old, already made cars and eating vegetable curry.
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Sorry, just noticed this was already linked in the "master" thread.
 

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Yep, seemed like he was more interested in finding reasons not to like the truck than to evaluate the truck for what it is.
 

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Yep, seemed like he was more interested in finding reasons not to like the truck than to evaluate the truck for what it is.
If that is the most negative review then I think Rivian knocked it out of the park. Most of his complaints are things that can't actually be addressed except by waiting, since they mostly amount to "yet unproven".
 

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Yep, seemed like he was more interested in finding reasons not to like the truck than to evaluate the truck for what it is.
She, and yes.
 

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One of her complaints was that Rivian only has four service centers for the whole United States (while Tesla has over 200)

Well . . . like currently
 

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Wow, no axe to grind in that article's tone... :rolleyes:

Every forced compliment phrased in unsatisfied ways. I bet the only "work" this person has done in a truck of any kind is navigating the Starbucks drive-thru without scratching the gleaming 24's.
 

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If that is the most negative review then I think Rivian knocked it out of the park. Most of his complaints are things that can't actually be addressed except by waiting, since they mostly amount to "yet unproven".
I totally agree, reading other people’s opinion of her piece on the other thread youd think she was marching RJ off to the Electric chair. After reading it this morning, found it pretty solid, and she’s not wrong in much of her ‘challenges’. If you are not typically an early adopter, you may want wait on the commit (and allow me to move up in the cue…).
 

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Hey I think its great you could tell she was trying to find things to say bad about the thing and in the end oh hey its not a work truck yep not buying one thanks. is that the worst you can find about it? the writing was terrible and all over the place as well not sure why she is doing pieces on cars not food or something she might have experience with.
 

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Hey I think its great you could tell she was trying to find things to say bad about the thing and in the end oh hey its not a work truck yep not buying one thanks. is that the worst you can find about it? the writing was terrible and all over the place as well not sure why she is doing pieces on cars not food or something she might have experience with.
I don’t think a lack of experience with cars is the issue in thst particular opinion piece, rather just…trying too hard to find enough things to not like to fill an article thsts trying to be contrary to every single other review.
 

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It felt like less of a review and more of an opinion piece.

Being critical and outlining flaws is fine (and again, literally part of her job), but... it came off as a hit piece full of opinions and self aggrandization.
 

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It felt like less of a review and more of an opinion piece.

Being critical and outlining flaws is fine (and again, literally part of her job), but... it came off as a hit piece full of opinions and self aggrandization.
The headline may as well have been “why I am too cool for the Rivian R1T”
 

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The only thing I find somewhat disingenuous is the comparison to the Ford base price fleet vehicle. The XLT starts at $53,000 with the smaller battery and the pricing goes all the way into the $90k range for the top trim in 300 mile range.
 

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The only thing I find somewhat disingenuous is the comparison to the Ford base price fleet vehicle. The XLT starts at $53,000 with the smaller battery and the pricing goes all the way into the $90k range for the top trim in 300 mile range.
Yup, that bugs me when they do it. "It's $68k! The Ford is only $40k!"

...yeah, well, the $40k version has hand crank windows...

Kind like when people say "Towing will reduce the range by 50%!" …yeah, it does that.. even on my diesel (actually, way worse than 50% when I'm at near max towing, I go from 28MPG to like... 11).

Range is always impacted when towing, the only difference here is that it takes a great deal longer to refuel your EV versus your ICE.
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