Smoking Tire Rivian R1T (w/ 22" Wheels) Review: You Should Definitely Buy One Even at New Price

[SeaGeo]

It's a hardware vs software question to me.

The hardware for a button to be added has cost associated to it, you have all the things that make up the button (plastic, spring of some sort, movement, connection points, wire harness) that does what in return? Moves the car from a "sleep state" to "wake state"? In a ICE it makes total sense since there's not a huge battery plus you have different states in a car, ACC (wake) / Start (Run ICE) / Stop (sleep)

With an EV you already have all the needed hardware already in place, so a simple query of State can be done. The seats have a sensor already for weight which controls airbag and you already have a brake pedal. The logic is pretty simple and I believe at this point you could argue that the seat sensor is NOT needed and just go from "sleep state" to "wake state" on brake pedal pressure.

There's a twist for this in favor of a start/stop button. A caveat is that I'll fully acknowledge it's because of a shitty implementation first. The ID.4 does the seat recognition, and also has a start/stop button (which is borderline useless). Because the way VW implemented the active state of the car based on the driver being seated, if you park and hop out of the car to go buy a quick drink and leave someone in the car, they're stuck with most creature comforts turning off. Unless the driver gets out, and then pushes the "start" button.

Point being, if the EV relies on a manual start/stop function rather than an automatic sensor based on weight in a seat, you don't have to jump through other software hoops to keep a car "running" when you exit the car (if you want).

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[Dark-Fx]

Oh I HATE the Start / Stop button on EVs, Ford, Audi, Hyundai, Kia all have a pointless button. Thankfully it looks like the new Chevy Silverado EV, VW ID.4 are getting the clue that a Start / Stop button makes zero sense on a EV.

Completely odd hate but it's one of the things I look for with the new EVs.

I keep leaving my Hummer on after driving it because my polestar (and now R1T) are just get in and go.

 

[thehodge]

There's a twist for this in favor of a start/stop button. A caveat is that I'll fully acknowledge it's because of a shitty implementation first. The ID.4 does the seat recognition, and also has a start/stop button (which is borderline useless). Because the way VW implemented the active state of the car based on the driver being seated, if you park and hop out of the car to go buy a quick drink and leave someone in the car, they're stuck with most creature comforts turning off. Unless the driver gets out, and then pushes the "start" button.

Point being, if the EV relies on a manual start/stop function rather than an automatic sensor based on weight in a seat, you don't have to jump through other software hoops to keep a car "running" when you exit the car (if you want).

My wife says:
"Leave me the key!"
No battery drain...

 

[Craigins]

There's a twist for this in favor of a start/stop button. A caveat is that I'll fully acknowledge it's because of a shitty implementation first. The ID.4 does the seat recognition, and also has a start/stop button (which is borderline useless). Because the way VW implemented the active state of the car based on the driver being seated, if you park and hop out of the car to go buy a quick drink and leave someone in the car, they're stuck with most creature comforts turning off. Unless the driver gets out, and then pushes the "start" button.

Point being, if the EV relies on a manual start/stop function rather than an automatic sensor based on weight in a seat, you don't have to jump through other software hoops to keep a car "running" when you exit the car (if you want).

Right, this is the scenario I was thinking about. I don't want the vehicle to have to guess my intentions because it will always guess wrong.

I'm all for no physical button, but a start/stop on the top left of the screen would work.

 

[Attesan997]

First real review using the 22s, solidifies my choice that these will work great for me. I think they said fully charged on the 22s in conserve had a guesstimate of 316 miles. ?

It speaks to overall efficiency considering Kyle got about 290 from what I remember on 20"ATs. A 20-30 mile hit per full charge on ATs really isn't all that bad. On road trips it might mean more stops depending on the total distance but as a daily driver the majority of my driving won't be long distance trips.

 

[Taco]

There's a twist for this in favor of a start/stop button. A caveat is that I'll fully acknowledge it's because of a shitty implementation first. The ID.4 does the seat recognition, and also has a start/stop button (which is borderline useless). Because the way VW implemented the active state of the car based on the driver being seated, if you park and hop out of the car to go buy a quick drink and leave someone in the car, they're stuck with most creature comforts turning off. Unless the driver gets out, and then pushes the "start" button.

Point being, if the EV relies on a manual start/stop function rather than an automatic sensor based on weight in a seat, you don't have to jump through other software hoops to keep a car "running" when you exit the car (if you want).

Yeah I can see that, I just leave the key in my MX when the wife and kids are in there.

I suppose I could put it into Dog mode but I believe that would create a Dog House Mode for me. :\

 

[electruck]

the camera overheated (at about 43:00)?

 

[E.S.]

I suppose I could put it into Dog mode ...

? I wonder if this will work while I lock the mother-in-law in the car?

Crap! Bad idea, then the vehicle will keep her alive! Ex-nay this plan. 86 it!!!!

 

[AllInev]

The last bit re: saving the planet was pretty cringe.

They don't talk about the things like 'vegan leather, etc, etc' with any indication that they're actually comparing the alternatives. I've made this argument in another thread - no, the R1s are not the most environmentally friendly EVs on the market, but they're better than almost every ICE, and while these may be 'rich people toys' (I don't consider myself rich, but everything is relative), every EV we get on the road is a net positive in pushing towards a future of no ICE vehicles.

Tesla started with their most expensive models too, but look where they are now. Can anyone really argue that lots of M3s on the road isn't better for the planet than every one of those being replaced with an ICE equivalent?

I also think Rivian is going above and beyond in this area with their corporate initiatives relating to conservation. Anyway... most of the video I enjoyed, but the end of it made me shake my head.

Agree. I enjoyed most of the review, but the green-washing snark at the end seemed unnecessary and didn't add much to the review. If someone picks an R1T rather than a Raptor or an R1S over a Defender, we're making progress. Gas and diesel can't be recycled, lithium can.

 

[mini2nut]

That was the best “hands on” R1T review that I have seen to date. They basically raved about the car and drove it on and off-road. They nitpicked the rather grainy camera image and it overheated but that was about it.

As a Model Y owner for over a year owners will love not having a key fob to carry around OR a stupid start/stop button. Stepping into an ICE vehicle with an ignition key seems so old school now.

Rivian owners are driving the future….today.

 

[AllInev]

the camera overheated (at about 43:00)?

Yeah, that was odd wasn't it. Despite that happening right before a cut in the video, the reviewers didn't even address what happened. ?‍

 

[Sconces]

I think they meant the camera they are recording with overheated hence the cut.. the beeping sounds just like a go pro before it dies

Yeah, that was odd wasn't it. Despite that happening right before a cut in the video, the reviewers didn't even address what happened. ?‍

 

[No.92]

At 3:03 they say little flashlights (plural) in the door. Plural. First I've heard two mentioned. Can an owner confirm?

There is only 1 flashlight not plural

 

[No.92]

I'm all for no physical button, but a start/stop on the top left of the screen would work.

So is it truly "off" if the screen is on with a button at the top left?

Just like moving from ICE to EVs and no regen to having regen, we just need to scrap the old and get use to the new

 

[sub]

That sells me on "not AT 20's"

The range hit is not worth it when the 22s do fine on that trail. 0% I will ever go on a more difficult trail than that.

To everyone who said that you needed the 20's for a gravel road or gravel driveway I can now with confidence say BS.

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