2025.18 Update Release Notes

[SSteveEV]

I'm sure some people wanted MFA (like anyone that owned a Kia before) but most wanted Valet or PIN to drive. At least from the wishlist I've seen here.
So curious to see how easy it is to enable and disable for different use cases.

I assume the time based PIN was a number that worked between 2pm-5pm or whatever you select. Guess that may also work as "authenticate for X hours or days".

I'm old in spirit and trusting so I never want MFA in 99% of cases and thus don't have a lot of experience with it so everything above could be wildly wrong.
Should have seen me swearing when trying to make an OpenTable dinner reservation.

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[scoutdogg]

Seemingly trivial issue…but anyone else notice or annoyed by how long (duration) it lowers your music volume to provide navigation instructions? When the navigation voice is done speaking, it’s about 3 seconds of continuing to have your music volume quieted before it goes back up.

 

[DayTripping]

Yes, this is annoying. If I am listening to music and close to home, I just stop navigation so it doesn't interrupt all the time with about the 12 turns I have to make getting off the freeway.

 

[PaythePiper]

Like targeted SoC/departure time charge setting?

Meh. Just cool it on the updates for a quarter and make the bugginess go away

 

[captainjp]

Meh. Just cool it on the updates for a quarter and make the bugginess go away

Disagree.

 

[godfodder0901]

I assume the time based PIN was a number that worked between 2pm-5pm or whatever you select. Guess that may also work as "authenticate for X hours or days".

Nope. TOTP are usually only good for ~30 seconds or so.

 

[COdogman]

I'm sure some people wanted MFA (like anyone that owned a Kia before) but most wanted Valet or PIN to drive. At least from the wishlist I've seen here.
So curious to see how easy it is to enable and disable for different use cases.

I assume the time based PIN was a number that worked between 2pm-5pm or whatever you select. Guess that may also work as "authenticate for X hours or days".

I'm old in spirit and trusting so I never want MFA in 99% of cases and thus don't have a lot of experience with it so everything above could be wildly wrong.
Should have seen me swearing when trying to make an OpenTable dinner reservation.

Stop bragging about your fancy dinners.

 

[Shaqdeez]

That's a very narrow-minded point of view ... just because you don't know or understand the reasons for the business decision doesn't make it wrong or a "waste". Did you ever consider that maybe MFA support in the vehicle software was a *requirement* for the software JV? Which would mean Billions of dollars was at stake - IF that were the case (and I have no reason to believe this is true, just throwing out a possible hypothetical) then it is something they would implement whether the average customer finds it useful or not. And it has clear implications for fleet use regardless - the EDV/ECV business is a huge part of Rivian's business plans, which people tend to forget. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some form of MFA is already in use in the Amazon vans, and now they're just exposing that capability in consumer vehicles. Again speculation, but with just a tiny bit of thought it's quite easy to imagine scenarios where this feature makes enormous business sense. And what about the R2, which is also intended for the European market? Do you have any idea at all of the regulatory requirements in Europe? Perhaps MFA is required or will be required over there in the near future under certain conditions? Again, I don't know, and I'm guessing neither do you. But *I'm* not judging Rivan's move out of my ignorance like you are - I'm assuming that I don't know everything and also assuming they have a reason that I don't know about. You, on the other hand, go straight to assuming that this is just some software engineers dicking around on something they find fun, at the expense of the real work that they *should* be doing. Do you really believe that Rivian is run that way?

It takes far more effort to ignore the possibilities and just disparage MFA because you don't think it's of any use to *you* and you can't conceive how it is useful to anyone else.

But if you don't find it useful, then just don't use it. Seriously. And if you don't find the OTA updates useful, then just don't update and keep using your car with the software it shipped with.

Narrow Minded? During all of the years of following Tech in cars, I've never seen forum members/users of auto manufacturers make MFA a high priority or even a medium priority. On a personal level, I know at least a dozen Tesla owners. None of them use that feature. Is it something that a very small percentage may use. Sure, but we're talking about a scenario of a company who has known bugs in their UI and have enormous requests from their users to have certain features but they decided to have MFA as a feature this early in their software roadmap?
As for making assumptions on JV requirements, why stop there? Maybe the government maybe requiring it? I mean come on. Now I'm not saying that it shouldn't ever be available. My only point was they really should be focusing on other things first. Namely what their customers are looking for. They don't have a large customer base , relatively speaking. It's not hard to know what "Rivianders" are looking for.

 

[PaythePiper]

Disagree.

So you like stuff not working properly in a close to $100k vehicle. Cool

 

[Sgt Beavis]

I’m curious to see what new an interesting ways Rivian has broken Apple Music on this go around. It had been fairly stable until the last update. Now it‘s as unreliable as it was in beta.

If you can’t get that simple thing right, give us CarPlay.
Oh yea, I’m back on that rant.

 

[ndmiller]

So you like stuff not working properly in a close to $100k vehicle. Cool

YAY another on ignore.

 

[SANZC02]

Narrow Minded? During all of the years of following Tech in cars, I've never seen forum members/users of auto manufacturers make MFA a high priority or even a medium priority. On a personal level, I know at least a dozen Tesla owners. None of them use that feature. Is it something that a very small percentage may use. Sure, but we're talking about a scenario of a company who has known bugs in their UI and have enormous requests from their users to have certain features but they decided to have MFA as a feature this early in their software roadmap?
As for making assumptions on JV requirements, why stop there? Maybe the government maybe requiring it? I mean come on. Now I'm not saying that it shouldn't ever be available. My only point was they really should be focusing on other things first. Namely what their customers are looking for. They don't have a large customer base , relatively speaking. It's not hard to know what "Rivianders" are looking for.

I think the urgency on Rivian’s side for MFA is actually to plug a vulnerability. Right now if the phone is in range of the vehicle someone can jump in and drive off.

Is it likely to happen maybe not but a couple of very likely Sanrio’s where it could. Car is in your driveway, phone sitting on a table or counter near the driveway in range of the vehicle or you stop at an ATM to get cash and phone is within range of the vehicle. Either of those cases someone could jump into the vehicle and drive away. Once they stop they can’t drive it anymore but who knows how far or how much damage is caused by then.

 

[LiamM]

Video to the rear screen while driving is probably the least useful thing possible…

not if you have young kids as I do. Incredibly useful then.

 

[LiamM]

The notes say "time-based passcode", so it sounds like other 2FA applications where there's no cell/internet connection required.

I could be wrong but prepare for the “I was camping out of cell service and my phone died and I couldn’t get my truck to start even with my keycard or keyfob.” Based on my reading of how this works that scenario is easily possible. I mean I could be wrong but this just seems unnecessarily complicated, pin to drive is proven and works in and out of cell service and with all access methods

 

[HaveBlue]

I'll go batsh!t crazy if I'm forced to type a pin every time I get in the car. The number of things that reset every time I get in to drive is already annoying, if the car even locks and unlocks properly. I honestly think this would put me over the edge and get a car with a normal key and settings that stay where I put them.

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