Rivian R1T Dual-Motor Large Pack Gets Over 350 Miles Range (Official EPA Figures Posted)

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[MountainBikeDude]

Anyone else hate the MPGe metric? I wish they would just go by Miles/Kilometres per kWh

 

[R1Tom]

Anyone else hate the MPGe metric? I wish they would just go by Miles/Kilometres per kWh

I agree....that MPGe thing is really stupid....except that it somehow tries to show to a consumer how it compares to a gas counterpart, but with so many assumptions it is borderline worthless...

 

[Alieti]

Now if they could just start delivering them

 

[tjmsquared]

I think that the range for the 2022 and 2023 R1T with 21" wheels should be the same. It was 314 when the truck was first delivered, but the software update that bumped it up to 328 was for both model years.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I think that the range for the 2022 and 2023 R1T with 21" wheels should be the same. It was 314 when the truck was first delivered, but the software update that bumped it up to 328 was for both model years.

I think this is due to a "when the vehicle was tested, and how it shipped" situation.

 

[gonefishing]

Initially advertised as 300+ miles for regular battery pack and 400+ miles for max pack. A 33% increase at a 10k difference in price was worth it. Now its 352 miles for regular battery pack and barely 400 miles for max pack. A 14% increase in range at an even greater difference of 16k is so disgusting.

What are these people even thinking...

 

[R1Thor]

Initially advertised as 300+ miles for regular battery pack and 400+ miles for max pack. A 33% increase at a 10k difference in price was worth it. Now its 352 miles for regular battery pack and barely 400 miles for max pack. A 14% increase in range at an even greater difference of 16k is so disgusting.

What are these people even thinking...

While I'm not going to disagree with how this doesn't seem beneficial to us customers...

I'm going out on a limb here as someone with a ton of experience in Engineering and Manufacturing to say that the delta is likely simply: cost.

More battery = more weight. So, you're striking a balance between meaningful improvement, which is hard, because obviously the heavier you get, the harder it is to achieve the same efficiency. So, add a ton more batteries (significantly more) in order to achieve an improvement on the same vehicle, all the while maintaining reliability standards and minimize differential components (which is expensive for A LOT of reasons). In other words, if they had to produce 2 different types of brakes to stop the heavier vehicle, it'd cost more for BOTH vehicles due to the extra inventory they have to keep onsite (real-estate isn't free even with LeanPD or JIT manufacturing, which isn't what it used to be these days). And it snowballs.

Just some food for thought...

 

[Redmond Chad]

Adding to what R1Thor said...the utility-vs-pricing delta between the Large and Max packs is telling us that they would strongly prefer us to buy the Large pack.

Two possible reasons: as R1Thor said, it's not just a few more materials, it's a lot more work to build the Max version while keeping utility, like acceleration and cargo capacity. If you insist on buying a Max, they want you to pay for all that extra work to make sure their margins don't go down. Not to mention you're putting off your purchase until later, when Rivian wants to move metal NOW - the value of your future dollars is less to them than current dollars.

The other possibility is that they are sandbagging the range of the Max version simply because they don't have it for sale yet. They want everyone that can live with a Large to buy one now. Once Max is available, we may find it really goes 450 miles, and then the value proposition won't seem as bad. I think this is less likely, but can't rule it out yet.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Initially advertised as 300+ miles for regular battery pack and 400+ miles for max pack. A 33% increase at a 10k difference in price was worth it. Now its 352 miles for regular battery pack and barely 400 miles for max pack. A 14% increase in range at an even greater difference of 16k is so disgusting.

What are these people even thinking...

You're comparing the standard pack price with the max pack, but not range. What are you even thinking?

 

[R1Thor]

The other possibility is that they are sandbagging the range of the Max version simply because they don't have it for sale yet. They want everyone that can live with a Large to buy one now. Once Max is available, we may find it really goes 450 miles, and then the value proposition won't seem as bad. I think this is less likely, but can't rule it out yet.

This is a very good and also very likely point-- range estimates were updated on Large pack shortly after production took off. They likely need real-world data and EPA approval. So, in this case, you under-promise and hopefully over-deliver. Because hitting the target exactly is highly unlikely and doing the opposite will ruin you.

 

[teartags]

So, in this case, you under-promise and hopefully over-deliver. Because hitting the target exactly is highly unlikely and doing the opposite will ruin you.

The opposite seems to be working for Elon on a daily basis....

 

[gonefishing]

This is a very good and also very likely point-- range estimates were updated on Large pack shortly after production took off. They likely need real-world data and EPA approval. So, in this case, you under-promise and hopefully over-deliver. Because hitting the target exactly is highly unlikely and doing the opposite will ruin you.

I can agree with that, in the sense that it would be a good decision in managing expectations and over-delivering when you can. Also from an engineering perceptive you mentioned before, that is absolutely understandable when there is not always a linear correlation when trying to add value and the price.

But what I see is that that is not what is happening. For them to be flipping back and forth tells me they are making decisions based on theory rather than building a proof of concept to validate their decisions. How do you go from advertising one thing and to just now finding out that it's not going to work on the manufacturing side? I initially thought they are managing the expectations of the max pack but now it seems like they're trying to save face by only having one specific configuration make it to the 400 mile range mark

 

[gonefishing]

The opposite seems to be working for Elon on a daily basis....

Yeah and he definitely is taking advantage of it... but rivian doesn't have that branding power or comparable CEO likability. It can only last so long too, considering people are trying to sue Tesla for false advertisement. Now consumers are realizing they should have contested the force arbitration and their class action lawsuit rights

 

[teartags]

Yeah and he definitely is taking advantage of it... but rivian doesn't have that branding power or comparable CEO likability. It can only last so long too, considering people are trying to sue Tesla for false advertisement. Now consumers are realizing they should have contested the force arbitration and their class action lawsuit rights

Only thing I'll argue with is the "likability" part. I don't like that guy at all. However, based on the interviews I've seen, I'd have RJ at my dinner table anytime.

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