R2 vs Model Y 70-MPH Highway Range Test (by Out of Spec)

[kcsf]

BMW hasn't made a good looking car since the E30

I dunno, the Bangle era is holding up surprisingly well, especially with such a questionable start.

*posted the same time as the posting above..

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[DaveA]

I dunno, the Bangle era is holding up surprisingly well, especially with such a questionable start.

If only Henrik Cuckster wasn't attached to the design of the Z8.

 

[kcsf]

If only Henrik Cuckster wasn't attached to the design of the Z8.

Well darn, learn something new everyday. Per Wiki:

"While the vehicle was developed during his tenure as BMW's Chief of Design and he oversaw the design team, the specific styling duties were split between other team members: [1, 2, 3, 4]

• Exterior Design: Sculpted by Danish designer Henrik Fisker.
• Interior Design: Penned by designer Scott Lempert"

 

[Bullwinkle]

It comes down to two things.

1. EPA allowing non-ideal testing cycles
2. Rivian choosing the more favorable testing cycle

Rivian chose one that made their range look better. Likely so they could compete with Modle Y in marking. At the cost of actual real-world range. I don't think it's on the buyer to have to do their due-diligence to derive real-world range.

I'm disappointed in this move by Rivian. I think most enthusiasts know a brick moving through the air won't be efficient. But, for the more price-conscious buyer like an R2 buyer. They may not know.

I agree. It is hard to poke many holes in the test. Tesla and Porsche clearly delivered significantly better range in identical conditions. There are really only two possible reasons:
1- Something was atypical about the particular R2 tested.
2- Rivian is being a bit dishonest about their range claim for R2; at least compared to other 2026/27 EV brands.

You can like or not like YouTube channels like Out of Spec or Rivian Tracker, but disparaging their integrity is a shallow, fan-boy response. I enjoy them and gain useful knowledge from their content. I also think they love their work and give their best efforts 95+% of the time.

My time to configure was a few days ago. Since I want the light interior, I will have to wait. I am happy to kick the can down the road a bit. I like the value of R2 LE, but this new info is giving me pause. I will watch for corroborating or contradicting data and decide when the time comes.

The truth is that my 2023 gen-1 R1S has never been in the shop or had a single problem of any kind and only has 30 K miles. My motivation to switch to R2 is really just getting the updated architecture and the whimsy of getting something shiny and new.

 

[mellowthecat]

You can like or not like YouTube channels like Out of Spec or Rivian Tracker, but disparaging their integrity is a shallow, fan-boy response.

100% this. it reads like copium

 

[macb00kemdanno]

100% this. it reads like copium

Pretty much this. It is what it is. RJ lied, the numbers don't match, and it sucks at efficiency compared to the Y, even though the EPA numbers suggest otherwise.

All that being said, it's still a great vehicle, which I'm getting despite the efficiency shortfalls, because there's no sugarcoating it.

 

[Rivian Roamer]

I agree. It is hard to poke many holes in the test. Tesla and Porsche clearly delivered significantly better range in identical conditions. There are really only two possible reasons:
1- Something was atypical about the particular R2 tested.
2- Rivian is being a bit dishonest about their range claim for R2; at least compared to other 2026/27 EV brands.

You can like or not like YouTube channels like Out of Spec or Rivian Tracker, but disparaging their integrity is a shallow, fan-boy response. I enjoy them and gain useful knowledge from their content. I also think they love their work and give their best efforts 95+% of the time.

My time to configure was a few days ago. Since I want the light interior, I will have to wait. I am happy to kick the can down the road a bit. I like the value of R2 LE, but this new info is giving me pause. I will watch for corroborating or contradicting data and decide when the time comes.

The truth is that my 2023 gen-1 R1S has never been in the shop or had a single problem of any kind and only has 30 K miles. My motivation to switch to R2 is really just getting the updated architecture and the whimsy of getting something shiny and new.

Rivian isn't being dishonest per se. They just chose the testing cycle that would benefit their marketing. I guess one could argue that is? I dunno.

 

[Dark-Fx]

1- Something was atypical about the particular R2 tested.

The R2 that did the EPA testing had a bit over 4k miles on it already. If they were the stock tires, they would be getting measurably better efficiency than brand new ones.

Pretty much this. It is what it is. RJ lied, the numbers don't match, and it sucks at efficiency compared to the Y, even though the EPA numbers suggest otherwise.

All that being said, it's still a great vehicle, which I'm getting despite the efficiency shortfalls, because there's no sugarcoating it.

Why are so many of your posts disparaging while trying to sound positive? Leave already if you aren't going to get a Rivian. Shit, you post even more than I do.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Why are so many of your posts disparaging while trying to sound positive? Leave already if you aren't going to get a Rivian.

I'm getting a Rivian R2. Can you even read? And I didn't know you were the gatekeeper to who is worthy or unworthy of posting.

You can like a vehicle without being 100% in agreement with everything a company does. I like my Teslas, but I think that Elon is a douche and I wish they would do more to make advances in battery tech and faster charging for their mainstream models.

In the end, efficiency is just ONE aspect of purchasing a vehicle. For me, the overall R2 package is still HIGHLY appealing to me, which is why I'm getting one. But since this thread is about EFFICIENCY, I'm perfectly FREE to discuss my thoughts on EFFICIENCY.

 

[Holler Wanderer]

I agree. It is hard to poke many holes in the test. Tesla and Porsche clearly delivered significantly better range in identical conditions. There are really only two possible reasons:
1- Something was atypical about the particular R2 tested.
2- Rivian is being a bit dishonest about their range claim for R2; at least compared to other 2026/27 EV brands.

You can like or not like YouTube channels like Out of Spec or Rivian Tracker, but disparaging their integrity is a shallow, fan-boy response. I enjoy them and gain useful knowledge from their content. I also think they love their work and give their best efforts 95+% of the time.

My time to configure was a few days ago. Since I want the light interior, I will have to wait. I am happy to kick the can down the road a bit. I like the value of R2 LE, but this new info is giving me pause. I will watch for corroborating or contradicting data and decide when the time comes.

The truth is that my 2023 gen-1 R1S has never been in the shop or had a single problem of any kind and only has 30 K miles. My motivation to switch to R2 is really just getting the updated architecture and the whimsy of getting something shiny and new.

Same with me. My R1S only has 20k and I've only owned it six months, so I'm passing on ordering unless something drastic happens to the R1. The only thing that's making me want to order is LE Green.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I'm getting a Rivian R2. Can you even read? And I didn't know you were the gatekeeper to who is worthy or unworthy of posting.

You can like a vehicle without being 100% in agreement with everything a company does. I like my Teslas, but I think that Elon is a douche and I wish they would do more to make advances in battery tech and faster charging for their mainstream models.

In the end, efficiency is just ONE aspect of purchasing a vehicle. For me, the overall R2 package is still HIGHLY appealing to me, which is why I'm getting one. But since this thread is about EFFICIENCY, I'm perfectly FREE to discuss my thoughts on EFFICIENCY.

No man, literally every one of your posts here is negative. You should save yourself and stick with your Teslas.

 

[Jeremy3292]

In other news, I'm gunna go out on a limb and say the $45k variant with way less battery cells never gets built, or they build VERY few of them and then quietly discontinue it. I don't think it's needed anyways. They have the full battery pack standard RWD model available for $48.5k.

 

[ewcanes]

Guess I may be in the minority, but none of this nerdy math stuff matters to me. I'll happily charge it in my garage and never have to worry about it. If I have to drive longer than 3-4 hours, I'm probably flying anyway.

This is me reading through all these numbers/graphs/data:

 

[macb00kemdanno]

No man, literally every one of your posts here is negative. You should save yourself and stick with your Teslas.

Whatever makes you feel better.

In other news, I'm gunna go out on a limb and say the $45k variant with way less battery cells never gets built, or they build VERY few of them and then quietly discontinue it. I don't think it's needed anyways. They have the full battery pack standard RWD model available for $48.5k.

I think they've stripped out enough content, and with a smaller battery, I think they can hit the $45,000 target. But my question isn't so much as to CAN/WILL they make it; it's will people actually BUY IT?

If the big battery RWD is only a few thousand more, I'd pass the base model in a heartbeat.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I actually like how it looks. BMW always at the top of the game.

I generally like the looks. BMW has had a grill problem for two decades, as evidenced by their constant tweaking; and the new class doesn't really fix it for me. Why is the main display a parallelogram, and why does it sit on the dash with no integration? The new display under the windshield is innovative and integrated, and is really cool.

I have a new 26 X5 50e running the latest V8.5 system software. It has most of the features I need, but its organization and UI are complicated--just not great, maybe not even good--and far below Rivian. Hands-free on the highway is OK, but not as good as my R1S. I will say that my electric range is 10% above what BMW rated. There is a distinctly different feeling/trust when a manufacturer exceeds spec vs inflates spec.

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