Ketchum: Wait for LiDAR? - The Rivian R2 LiDAR story isn’t what you think

[VictoriousRetreat]

I got the red hands of death 2 weeks ago on the interstate in stop and go traffic when it was raining hard on AI4 latest FSD. No more than 35 mph max.

is that a vision only system limitation? would radar help. R2 has multiple radars i beleive

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[Jeremy3292]

is that a vision only system limitation? would radar help. R2 has multiple radars i beleive

Yes with proper implementation

 

[tgrick]

All I can say is I agree with Rivian 100% on having multiple sensors and vision to reach FSD. In the end, is LIDAR required? Well, other car companies besides Tesla do not think so. The statement made by others is the level of precision is not required. Vision is required for signs, lights, road marks etc. I was going to wait for Gen 3 as I care more about the compute power than LIDAR. It is my understanding that RJ made statements that RIVAN can't upgrade Gen 2.5 to Gen 3. They can't retrofit the LIDAR module. However, can RIVIAN upgrade the compute power without LIDAR? Does anyone know if RIVAN has upgraded the hardware in Gen 1 cars to Gen 2 due to a failure? I'm curious to know if this is doable? I was going to wait for Gen 3 and I decided not too. I think they are years away from true FSD and I don't think I'm going to miss out on too much while we all wait.

 

[Eric9610]

All I can say is I agree with Rivian 100% on having multiple sensors and vision to reach FSD. In the end, is LIDAR required? Well, other car companies besides Tesla do not think so. The statement made by others is the level of precision is not required. Vision is required for signs, lights, road marks etc. I was going to wait for Gen 3 as I care more about the compute power than LIDAR. It is my understanding that RJ made statements that RIVAN can't upgrade Gen 2.5 to Gen 3. They can't retrofit the LIDAR module. However, can RIVIAN upgrade the compute power without LIDAR? Does anyone know if RIVAN has upgraded the hardware in Gen 1 cars to Gen 2 due to a failure? I'm curious to know if this is doable? I was going to wait for Gen 3 and I decided not too. I think they are years away from true FSD and I don't think I'm going to miss out on too much while we all wait.

They could not upgrade G1 to G2 as all the cameras got upgraded and the position for 2 changed. My understanding on the upgrade is that RAP1 computer package is the problem, the Lidar cutout is on all R2's.

 

[tgrick]

They could not upgrade G1 to G2 as all the cameras got upgraded and the position for 2 changed. My understanding on the upgrade is that RAP1 computer package is the problem, the Lidar cutout is on all R2's.

You would think that a technology upgrade path would be part of the engineering discussions when they design these vehicles. I know they need to sell cars, I get that. As a customer, It's sad that I have to spend 60k on a new car just to have the latest and greatest when it's possibly available in a future upgrade for a fraction of the price.

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