No real AM or FM radio in the R2

[Dark-Fx]

Here it is again…*you* think FM is 8 track, and anyone who disagrees should be summarily dismissed. It‘s like a dog with a bone.

Your sheer arrogance is palpable. God help the IT users you support.

My users keep asking me why we can't use WEP anymore

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[SwampNut]

Here it is again…*you* think FM is 8 track, and anyone who disagrees should be summarily dismissed.

Nope, and I specifically said that I wasn't saying that. I can't tell if you're just ignoring what I said in order to attack me, or unable to comprehend it.

Let me see if I can help you: None of the above means I have an opinion on whether Rivian should or shouldn't remove the radio. I just don't care. Again, dismissive people have accused me of being "against" their needs, when I've said nothing at all like that.

My users keep asking me why we can't use WEP anymore

Hahahaha, yeah. I recently had to force people off a 20 year old PPTP server...BUT WHY????? They gave all the reasons they MUST use that. Kind of like FM users...?

This morning...finally found out why some people "have to" have a physical phone instead of the much better softphone/headset, and it's purely not being willing to read the third sentence of the setup instructions. But to them, the softphone "CAN'T" do a certain thing.

 

[oregonridet]

On the Under / Over 26 pages… I’ll take the Over.

 

[Longreach]

Nope, and I specifically said that I wasn't saying that. I can't tell if you're just ignoring what I said in order to attack me, or unable to comprehend it.

Let me see if I can help you: None of the above means I have an opinion on whether Rivian should or shouldn't remove the radio. I just don't care. Again, dismissive people have accused me of being "against" their needs, when I've said nothing at all like that.

Dark-Fx said:
My users keep asking me why we can't use WEP anymore

Hahahaha, yeah. I recently had to force people off a 20 year old PPTP server...BUT WHY????? They gave all the reasons they MUST use that. Kind of like FM users...?

This morning...finally found out why some people "have to" have a physical phone instead of the much better softphone/headset, and it's purely not being willing to read the third sentence of the setup instructions. But to them, the softphone "CAN'T" do a certain thing.

Fascinating... Once again you feel compelled to arrogantly sneer at others, ostensibly for not complying to your will. Even after denying it in the first paragraph. Not that I have any support whatsoever for WEP, PPTP or phones, but they are your customers.

I’ve seen this before. Technical people who can’t make it in product development sometimes end up in IT support where they express their inadequacy frustrations by lording it over their designated customers with ”my superior knowledge”. I’ve had to dismiss IT people because of their bullying and opinionated harassment of employees.

Fortunately the vast majority of IT support professionals are not like that and genuinely want to provide badly needed support for users without making them feel bad. Pursuing that approach might be a good career development objective for you.

 

[Zathras]

Things are getting hot in here.

AND DON'T TAKE. OFF YOUR CLOTHES!

 

[Longreach]

Things are getting hot in here.

AND DON'T TAKE. OFF YOUR CLOTHES!

You’re right… Just trying to help him since it is clear he’s a frustrated angry person.

But we should get back to the topic at hand. Here’s the summary as I see it:

- There are a number of people here who feel the need for FM radio
- The majority of mainstream users (3rd party studies) still depend on FM
- Some legitimate issues have been raised about streaming radio not providing the same user experience, or possibly coverage in some areas
- A large number of people legitimately prefer streaming, which Rivian fully supports
- The presence of a radio has no negative impact on streaming users
- The cost of a radio has been debated, but overall it’s pretty small

Since Rivian is targeting a larger more mainstream market, it seems very short sighted not to have provided a radio. There is a risk of possible lost sales, which would not be in their best interest.

Whether or not they revisit the decision to remove the radio is up to Rivian, but the vox populi has at least given their opinion.

Not much more to say. Can we stop at 23 pages?

 

[MajorVex]

I said $37. Take some time to actually research the spec differences between what you saw (basic functionality designed for cheapest cost) vs. what automotive spec is. Your $1 chip is guaranteed not to support HD FM or have a DSP. You are comparing stale bread to fresh apples.

Rivian could paint their vehicle with Rustoleum rattle cans and it would be a lot cheaper, right? But they use automotive grade paint .... for a reason.

My industrial automation and controls person read this, shook his head sadly and "uttered what a #%$^!# moron"

If you were one of my programming guys you would have received your notice of termination..

But kudos to you for sticking to your s.

 

[tivoboy]

I haven't read through all 22 pages of this thread, but I hadn't seen the technical challenges of AM radios in EV's come up.

EV components cause significant interference in the AM radio bands, and the fixes are expensive. On the AM side, it does come down to the question of how much more are people really willing to pay for adding AM radio support?

FM doesn't have these issues though.

You only needed to go back one page ;-)

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/no-real-am-or-fm-radio-in-the-r2.60060/post-1021442

 

[SwampNut]

Not much more to say. Can we stop at 23 pages?

No, I think you can launch a few more totally incorrect personal attacks. My actual IT support people are laughing over my shoulder. I own the company and step in when I think they may be doing what you assume I'm doing. Hilarity.

My industrial automation and controls person read this, shook his head sadly and "uttered what a #%$^!# moron"

If you were one of my programming guys you would have received your notice of termination..

But kudos to you for sticking to your s.

Nobody ever understands the true cost of "just that one more feature" in anything. Try running dev/tech companies and fighting both the support people and customers who assure you that it would cost "nearly nothing" to add that one more thing. It's always vastly more expensive than they think once everything is factored.

Right in this thread, people said they have complained to support about the FM having problems. That's a cost nobody (well most people) aren't bothering to count. Us dealing with these people who "need" physical phones for several days has cost us thousands, and it was all based on incorrect assumptions (there's a checkbox to fix their complaint in the softphone).

 

[Zoidz]

My industrial automation and controls person read this, shook his head sadly and "uttered what a #%$^!# moron"

If you were one of my programming guys you would have received your notice of termination..

But kudos to you for sticking to your s.

Making a statement like that without actually researching the current technology that automotive tech manufacturers are using tells me all I need to know about you and your employees. Neither you nor he would have gotten past the initial interview at my industrial controls and automation company with an attitude like that. Clearly YOU don't know enough about the market trends, the tech in the R1 radio, and FM HD silicon offerings from NXP and similar to make a qualified response, you had to ask an employee who was equally clueless or perhaps afraid to contradict you, lol. You and your dude actually think that a $1, 10 year old board design sold on Alibaba with no RF front end filtering, no IQ output, etc. will be used by a car manufacturer such as Rivian? It would perform like a $10 dollar Walmart boombox you buy for your 6 year old. You both sound like "buy it cheap from Automation Direct" hacks.

Oooops, you didn't consider that my company has done work for automotive electronics manufacturers, and that I personally have done circuit design and PCB layout projects and understand the design, development, component, and manufacturing costs of PCBs and associated peripheral hardware.

Kudos to you for being blissfully naive in front of everyone on the forum. You've given me the best laugh I have had today. I won't be wasting my time responding to your future, and most likely inane, replies.

 

[rfkxyz]

I adventure away from civilization to listen to the outdoors with the windows rolled down. Many times without even having a car.

Yeah, but football season. Settling for just audio via XM makes a bold statement in front of the children.

 

[rfkxyz]

Not much more to say. Can we stop at 23 pages?

Is this a good time to ask why Rivian removed amber rear turn signals for production? Because you know, safer?

 

[Jeremy3292]

Is this a good time to ask why Rivian removed amber rear turn signals for production? Because you know, safer?

This one actually doesn’t make sense to me bc they’re required in Europe. So they’ll switch them back? Weird.

 

[Mos Eisley]

This one actually doesn’t make sense to me bc they’re required in Europe. So they’ll switch them back? Weird.

Supposedly, it became a conflict of what US reg's require for illuminated surface area of the signal vs Euro regulations which allow smaller signals. I'm guessing they made up their minds about the design look they wanted and compromised with this option so that they could do a dual light in Europe and have the same housing for USA.

And if we keep careening off-topic like this, I'll take the Over on 26pp.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Yeah, but football season. Settling for just audio via XM makes a bold statement in front of the children.

What's a football? Is that something I can do outside on my own? You're really reaching. Why not just say you're biased against Rivian because...?

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