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The Cybertruck was a failure because they never hit their price/performance targets. The appearance is polarizing, but they got a sh*t ton of orders when people thought the price was going to be lower than it turned out to be.

Raising the price of the R2 would be a huge mistake, IMO. Huge.
And then they had a $59k Cybertruck that wasn’t stripped down a few months ago and they sold a bunch of them. To your point.
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Household income of 120k/year here: this car is a financial stretch for us at 57k, whereby we’d normally just get the model y or 3. If they started nickel and diming and made it 70k, both me and my husband will turn around and get Teslas instead. Them being price competitive is the only thing keeping their interest afloat right now. If this prices above an EX60 for example, you’d be nuts to not just get the Volvo.
I’m going for the premium trim myself end of the year for a few thousand dollars less.
 

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My guess is test drives come after deliveries start. They will have a lot of people willing to take delivery without a test drive. I never drove an R1S before I picked mine up, will have no issues doing the same with the R2.

I think they want to make as many deliveries as they can in June to get the sales in Q2 and can work on test drive vehicles in Q3. They have not forecasted that many builds for 2026 so pulling a lot out of the delivery queue for test drives is probably not high on the priority list.
They would need about 100 vehicles
If you say two per space. Agree some will buy without test driving but others won’t.
 

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Is it not typical to use sale vehicles for test drives? Both of my previous brand new cars came with like 30 miles on them.
 

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They would need about 100 vehicles
If you say two per space. Agree some will buy without test driving but others won’t.
I have a hard time believing that skimming 100 cars out of the first-year yield of 20k would make a gnat's ass worth of difference to their bottom line. And it could generate a whole lot of interest from first-time EV buyers.

And no, I personally will not buy any car without a test drive and suspect that a relatively smaller segment of the R2 target market would buy, either, as opposed to early R1 buyers.
 
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Is it not typical to use sale vehicles for test drives? Both of my previous brand new cars came with like 30 miles on them.
Not for direct-sale model brands. Demo vehicles are dedicated for that purpose, until removed from that duty to be sold at as a used car, direct from brand (in this case, Rivian Shop inventory) or to second-hand market (auctions, rental companies, etc..).

New cars you buy from Rivian are driven only from the end of the assembly line, to final QC/inspection, to the holding lot, various stages of transport to the delivery center and during final pre-delivery prep.
 
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Household income of 120k/year here: this car is a financial stretch for us at 57k, whereby we’d normally just get the model y or 3. If they started nickel and diming and made it 70k, both me and my husband will turn around and get Teslas instead. Them being price competitive is the only thing keeping their interest afloat right now. If this prices above an EX60 for example, you’d be nuts to not just get the Volvo.
Such a bummer the $7500 Fed EV tax credit has been phased out! That would of helped your situation tremendously.
 

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Such a bummer the $7500 Fed EV tax credit has been phased out! That would of helped your situation tremendously.
It would have been nice to have the tax credit for the R2. What I really hate is how the subsidy was demonized for EVs to be repealed but we've had subsidies for big oil for the last 100+ years at almost $20 BILLION a year right now. How come that is never talked about when big oil pull in huge profits especially now?
 

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Household income of 120k/year here: this car is a financial stretch for us at 57k, whereby we’d normally just get the model y or 3. If they started nickel and diming and made it 70k, both me and my husband will turn around and get Teslas instead. Them being price competitive is the only thing keeping their interest afloat right now. If this prices above an EX60 for example, you’d be nuts to not just get the Volvo.
I'm in the same boat. It's not what I could afford to pay, it's what I want to put into a depreciating asset. The $57k LE quickly becomes $66k once delivery and taxes (high tax Chicago). Premium is $61k OTD. I don't get the comparison to the BMW i3x as it starts with a $5k higher MSRP than LE and can be spec'd close to $80k.

Personally I'm really torn on the R2 Premium vs the Subaru Trailseeker, which I think is where the real R2 competition will come from outside of Tesla. I've got a dealer offer of $49k out the door for a top spec Subaru Trailseeker Touring with 0% financing with delivery in a few weeks. Is the Rivian with all its tech and a likely year long wait worth $12k-$17k?
 

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I'm in the same boat. It's not what I could afford to pay, it's what I want to put into a depreciating asset. The $57k LE quickly becomes $66k once delivery and taxes (high tax Chicago). Premium is $61k OTD. I don't get the comparison to the BMW i3x as it starts with a $5k higher MSRP than LE and can be spec'd close to $80k.

Personally I'm really torn on the R2 Premium vs the Subaru Trailseeker, which I think is where the real R2 competition will come from outside of Tesla. I've got a dealer offer of $49k out the door for a top spec Subaru Trailseeker Touring with 0% financing with delivery in a few weeks. Is the Rivian with all its tech and a likely year long wait worth $12k-$17k?
Why anyone would by an EV from an alliance of brands who actively lobby against EVs, aren’t serious about building truly great EVs, are just building some to avoid losing some customers and would otherwise not build any at all… is mind blowing.

Imagine choosing to eat at a restaurant that doesn’t believe in sanitation and cleanliness.
 

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It would have been nice to have the tax credit for the R2. What I really hate is how the subsidy was demonized for EVs to be repealed but we've had subsidies for big oil for the last 100+ years at almost $20 BILLION a year right now. How come that is never talked about when big oil pull in huge profits especially now?
I’m with you. The EV tax credit getting demonized (great way to put it BTW) while oil subsidies quietly continue year after year is so contradictory.

It is funny though seeing some of the loudest anti-EV people now paying crazy prices at the pump, especially diesel owners. Times definitely changed.

As for the R2, I think people who truly want it will still buy it even if Rivian bumps the price a bit, but Rivian probably can’t afford to push too hard on pricing right now. They need volume and momentum more than anything. If they execute well, the R2 could easily become Rivian’s golden ticket.

I’ve also heard talks about some states potentially offering their own stronger incentives, so we’ll see how that plays out.
 

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Household income of 120k/year here: this car is a financial stretch for us at 57k, whereby we’d normally just get the model y or 3.
You do you, but my opinion is don’t ever stretch to buy a car. Sure new cars are fun and exciting but at that income I wouldn’t take the depreciation hit on a new car. Do your future-self a favor and buy a 3yr old Y.
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