Opinion on 20" tires for R1T

[Matt M]

I'm in need of new tires for my '22 R1T. Currently have the original OEM 20" Pirelli 275/65. I've been scouring the threads trying to get informed about all the different brands, specs, ratings, etc. My brain hurts. I'm want to stick with an AT tire but don't want to go as aggressive as an Open Country or KO3. I'm ok with a "AT lite" tire. I do mostly stop and go on my 14 mile round trip to work but also some gravel/dirt road driving with the occasional 2-track once or twice a year. My priorities for a new tire are ride quality/noise, range, longevity.

I've narrowed it down to Bridgestone Dueler A/T Ascent, the Goodyear Territory AT or the Wrangler Electric Drive AT.

Looking to hear some opinons on which way to go and/or if there is another tire I'm missing.

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[SilverII]

I got the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Ascent in OEM 20" size from costco. only 150miles so far and its super quiet compared to oem. Mileage is TBD as its too early. the tire looks fantastic. very happy for now

 

[iamnid]

Based on your use case, get the Goodyear Territories. They are OEM on Gen 2 20" -- they work well, are quiet and get decent range. They're not that expensive either.

 

[Mathme]

I switched from the stalk 20" Pirelli ATs to the the GY Terrirory 20" tires last summer. Before the switch I was getting about 1.95-1.99 for efficiency and since the switch I'm up to 2.15 on about 12k miles of driving. I've been pretty happy with these tires as they are very quiet (compared to the previous set), more efficient, and still have the 3PMS symbol for light snow driving. I can't really commend on snow driving as when I was in the mountains this winter there really wasn't any snow.

If I had to replace again today, I'd likely get another set of these.

 

[B Digs]

I'm biased as a Goodyear tire designer, but I'd vote for the Territory AT. I enjoyed working with Rivian to develop this tire for the R1. This tire would be an excellent fit for your use case.

 

[Yikes98]

Why not Michelin Defender/LTX series? Ran Duelers A/T on my Jeeps. Never really impressed but better than the OEM Goodyear. Ran Pirelli Scorpions too, great when new, good on a 7 trail rating but noisy with age. Looking to swap my R1T Pirelli at some point. I have been running Michelins on my sporty-ish cars/SUVs for years and would like to see if their engineering translate well to the A/T world. I rarely (as in never) do much hard off-road these day, more trail and highway.

 

[Matt M]

Why not Michelin Defender series? Ran Duelers A/T on my Jeeps. Never really impressed but better than the OEM Goodyear. Ran Pirelli Scorpions too, great when new, good on a 7 trail rating but noisy with age. Looking to swap my R1T Pirelli at some point. I have been running Michelins on my sporty-ish cars/SUVs for years and would like to see if their engineering translate well to the A/T world. I rarely (as in never) do much hard off-road these day, more trail and highway.

I looked at the Michelin's but based on reviews, comments, etc., from A LOT of folks, for an AT tire the other were recommended more often.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I'm in need of new tires for my '22 R1T. Currently have the original OEM 20" Pirelli 275/65. I've been scouring the threads trying to get informed about all the different brands, specs, ratings, etc. My brain hurts. I'm want to stick with an AT tire but don't want to go as aggressive as an Open Country or KO3. I'm ok with a "AT lite" tire. I do mostly stop and go on my 14 mile round trip to work but also some gravel/dirt road driving with the occasional 2-track once or twice a year. My priorities for a new tire are ride quality/noise, range, longevity.

I've narrowed it down to Bridgestone Dueler A/T Ascent, the Goodyear Territory AT or the Wrangler Electric Drive AT.

Looking to hear some opinons on which way to go and/or if there is another tire I'm missing.

SL version of Toyo Open Country ATIII EV yields about same efficiency as the stock Pirelli AT Plus RIV. But the tread pattern and resulting harmonics is quieter than the Pirelli. There are multiple existing threads and user reports.

SL version of the Bridgestone is a newer option, with less user data. There are at least two threads and a handful of user reports. All reporting roughly same efficiency as factory, but quieter.

IIRC, both of these are in the on-road AT category. Not as aggressive as the BFG K02 or K03. But important to note, the Bridgestone has UTQG of 640 (same as factory Pirelli) while the Toyo is 600.

The Goodyear Territory AT RIV is apples to oranges compared to these. While Goodyear is marketing it as a AT, it really isn't. It's really a AS at its core, up-fitted with some AT-ish tread design and depth to give it slightly more off-pavement and snow capability... and meet 3PMSF requirements. It also has a UTQG of 580. But, at under $300 a piece, it's much more economical than others mentioned so far. And being a factory offering, there is a software profile made specifically for it.

If available in the same smaller size as the Goodyear (275/60R20), the alternatives may yield better efficiency than the stock Pirelli; the Toyo is available in this size. So you have that option to mull over too. Only a 1.1" overall difference. So, visually, not very noticeable.

 

[Matt M]

I'm biased as a Goodyear tire designer, but I'd vote for the Territory AT. I enjoyed working with Rivian to develop this tire for the R1. This tire would be an excellent fit for your use case.

SL version of Toyo Open Country ATIII EV yields about same efficiency as the stock Pirelli AT Plus RIV. But the tread pattern and resulting harmonics is quieter than the Pirelli. There are multiple existing threads and user reports.

SL version of the Bridgestone is a newer option, with less user data. There are at least two threads and a handful of user reports. All reporting roughly same efficiency as factory, but quieter.

IIRC, both of these are in the on-road AT category. Not as aggressive as the BFG K02 or K03. But important to note, the Bridgestone has UTQG of 640 (same as factory Pirelli) while the Toyo is 600.

The Goodyear Territory AT RIV is apples to oranges compared to these. While Goodyear is marketing it as a AT, it really isn't. It's really a AS at its core, up-fitted with some AT-ish tread design and depth to give it slightly more off-pavement and snow capability... and meet 3PMSF requirements. It also has a UTQG of 580. But, at under $300 a piece, it's much more economical than others mentioned so far. And being a factory offering, there is a software profile made specifically for it.

If available in the same smaller size as the Goodyear (275/60R20), the alternatives may yield better efficiency than the stock Pirelli; the Toyo is available in this size. So you have that option to mull over too. Only a 1.1" overall difference. So, visually, not very noticeable.

I'm not as concerned about the price as I am quality of the tire. Willing to pay more for a better tire. You're suggesting the Toyo Open Country ATIII EV 275/60/20 in the SL version? You think that would be a better tire than the Territory AT in the same size?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I'm not as concerned about the price as I am quality of the tire. Willing to pay more for a better tire. You're suggesting the Toyo Open Country ATIII EV 275/60/20 in the SL version? You think that would be a better tire than the Territory AT in the same size?

"Better" is relative and dependent of each person's priorities. What are yours? Same size tire has roughly same amount of air volume for cushion. The "ride" difference between the two is down to what each tires are designed for and their resulting composition/construction. And that is typically not listed as a straight-forward stat, but can be gleamed from reviews... or speculated based on intended purpose for the tire. And based on that, I would guess the milder intent of the Goodyear probably make it more compliant/civil on-pavement than the more off-pavement oriented Toyo.

 

[Matt M]

Given what we've discussed, would you go with the Toyo or Territory? If the Toyo, the 275/65 or the 275/60? Just looking for an opinion.

 

[Jeff B.]

I'll add my 2 cents.

I have the BFG KO3. Great tire if you are looking for an off-road worthy all terrain tire. I didn't really notice a huge hit in range, but I don't track that very often. I use the truck for what it was built to do and I am on construction sites several days out of the week. No issues with roots, rocks, construction debris, etc. They have pretty aggressive side lugs and the tread wear has been good. I run them around 60 psi. I pulled an F250 out of sugar sand last week that was buried to both axles and I didn't even spin a tire when I pulled him out. I'd purchase them again without a second thought.

 

[usulio]

I think Toyo would be a big hit to your range for no good reason compared to the Territory.

Editing/adding: Goodyear range is almost as good as all-season tires (you can tell this from Rivian's own EPA range ratings). Toyo range is reportedly similar to the OEM Pirelli all-terrains, which is much worse than the Goodyears (again according to the EPA and user reports).

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Given what we've discussed, would you go with the Toyo or Territory? If the Toyo, the 275/65 or the 275/60? Just looking for an opinion.

If you are driving almost always on pavement, care less about rugged appearance, lean towards the Goodyear:

• Only slightly lower tread wear (580 vs 600) and significantly cheaper to replace
• Has a Rivian tested/verified software profile, with higher accuracy in range estimation/instrumentation

 

[R1Thor]

We need an AI bot to auto-respond to threads like these (given there are at least 10 pages of Google results JUST for RivianForums members wanting to discuss 20" tires... That's just like my opinion, man...):

https://riviantrackr.com/rivian-tire-guide/

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