2027 Rivian R2 EPA Certification w/ specs (range, battery capacity, charging rate, efficiency etc.)

[mkhuffman]

How long ago were those bad charging experiences? DCFC has gotten significantly better in the past few years. Sure there are still so,e areas where it’s more difficult but those are decreasing by the day.

It has gotten better. But it still sucks.

My last charge was at a Ionna. It worked fine, but it was uncovered and in a somewhat shady area. There is an Aldi in the parking lot, so I went in there to get snacks and pee, but it was not very nice.

I usually try to use RAN chargers, which have always been good. Still they are uncovered also and sometimes the amenities are not good.

And I can't just get in the truck and go on a trip without planning out exactly where I am going to stop. There are some really horrible chargers out there and winging it is asking for disaster.

The thing is, if I have a bigger battery, it is easier to "wing it" because there is a lot more flexibility regarding when I need to stop. It is easier to just get in and go.

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[emoore]

It has gotten better. But it still sucks.

My last charge was at a Ionna. It worked fine, but it was uncovered and in a somewhat shady area. There is an Aldi in the parking lot, so I went in there to get snacks and pee, but it was not very nice.

I usually try to use RAN chargers, which have always been good. Still they are uncovered also and sometimes the amenities are not good.

And I can't just get in the truck and go on a trip without planning out exactly where I am going to stop. There are some really horrible chargers out there and winging it is asking for disaster.

The thing is, if I have a bigger battery, it is easier to "wing it" because there is a lot more flexibility regarding when I need to stop. It is easier to just get in and go.

Disagree that it sucks. It’s just different than a gas station. I’ve been to plenty of shady gas stations. Doesn’t mean filling up with gas sucks.

 

[mkhuffman]

Disagree that it sucks. It’s just different than a gas station. I’ve been to plenty of shady gas stations. Doesn’t mean filling up with gas sucks.

Fair, but planning out every stop to make sure I avoid a horrible charging experience sucks. And most gas pumps are covered, so if it is raining I don't get soaked. And it takes five minutes to get gas.

 

[cusetownusa]

Disagree that it sucks. It’s just different than a gas station. I’ve been to plenty of shady gas stations. Doesn’t mean filling up with gas sucks.

but filling up with gas does suck.

 

[mkhuffman]

but filling up with gas does suck.

Yes, it does. Which is why I love refueling at home so much. No more gas station visits is awesome, and one of the best parts of driving electric. Public charging is worse.

 

[NC-Rivian]

This is where I'm at as well. I'd much rather Rivian work on sustaining peak charge speed further into the curve than having a bigger battery. 210kwh peak is fine if they can find a way to maintain that peak for more than a minute or two.

Bingo! Problem is NOT the charge rate … the problem is hoe LONG it can be held before dropping off.

 

[Billyk24]

How long ago were those bad charging experiences? DCFC has gotten significantly better in the past few years. Sure there are still so,e areas where it’s more difficult but those are decreasing by the day.

True but...as stated before......some areas of the country experience true winter conditions where range decreases 40%, dcfc is slower due to a colder hvb and dcfc charging rollout is significantly lagging. Northwestern portion of Wisconsin has this issue.

 

[emoore]

True but...as stated before......some areas of the country experience true winter conditions where range decreases 40%, dcfc is slower due to a colder hvb and dcfc charging rollout is significantly lagging. Northwestern portion of Wisconsin has this issue.

Agree that's why I said that there are still some areas that need more charging and it slowly getting filled in. There are places in low populated areas like upper midwest that are in desperate need of fast charging and will hopefully get it soon. We need to have every town over 2,000 to have at least 1 fast charging option.

 

[River Ghost]

My last charge had a message about the charge rate being lowered because of the charger. This was a Tesla supercharger and I was the only one charging. This is not unusual. I rarely get the full theoretical charging rate although it is slowly getting better. For me it is more important that the fast chargers improve than improvement in how fast the vehicles can charge.

IIRC the R1 have two rows of batteries (2170) with the cooling plate sandwiched between them. The tradeoff is that thermal management is poor while the range is high. There are not good options for improving the thermal management for the R1. The R2 has the cooling threaded around the single row of batteries (4695). This should result in better thermal management and allowing the charging curve to perform better than the R1. With about the same charging rate the R2 should take less time because it has a smaller battery. For the R1 10 - 80% is about forty minutes. The R2 quotes 30 minutes.

 

[DuoRivian]

My last charge had a message about the charge rate being lowered because of the charger. This was a Tesla supercharger and I was the only one charging. This is not unusual. I rarely get the full theoretical charging rate although it is slowly getting better. For me it is more important that the fast chargers improve than improvement in how fast the vehicles can charge.

IIRC the R1 have two rows of batteries (2170) with the cooling plate sandwiched between them. The tradeoff is that thermal management is poor while the range is high. There are not good options for improving the thermal management for the R1. The R2 has the cooling threaded around the single row of batteries (4695). This should result in better thermal management and allowing the charging curve to perform better than the R1. With about the same charging rate the R2 should take less time because it has a smaller battery. For the R1 10 - 80% is about forty minutes. The R2 quotes 30 minutes.

It will be good to see the charging rate.
as you mention the R2 battery is smaller so it should take less time, seem roughly proportionate so charging rate, even with the thermal improvements, seems likely to be similar.

 

[Supratachophobia]

Yeah, this set of alarm bells for me:

Here we go again!

 

[elektrode]

Here we go again!

What does that mean? Can you show me where this info was previously reported prior to this thread?

 

[sparked]

What does that mean? Can you show me where this info was previously reported prior to this thread?

He might have missed this post from Kryptonlogic?

I confirmed with Rivian that R2 will launch with the re-designed heat pump from the very beginning including Launch Edition.

 

[RivianTrackr]

It’s true, I asked Rivian via email and they confirmed all variants from Day 1 will have it.

 

[blipit]

Rivian Uses a 5 Cycle Method (allowed) instead of a 2 Cycle Calculation Method. This gives them higher numbers. (Tesla and Lucid do this as well and is a well documented difference as the Consumer Reports chart highlights.) If this were a BMW or a Chevy etc. the EPA range would be:

• 21 inch wheels 306 miles
• 20 inch wheels 297 miles

Yeah these numbers seem overly optimistic.(What cycle test these brands choose does make it difficult to compare.)

According to these results, the Model Y Perf needs about 5.5kwh more to do 100miles. So in theory the Model Y would need 16kwh more capacity to cover 300miles. Yet the Model Y Perf has a smaller battery pack than the R2.

These numbers don't add up. Looking forward to side-by-side constant speed test to de-bunk all the efficiency BS.

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