Marathoning in our Dual Performance Max R1S: 360+mi Single Charge Range

[B_Wagon136]

Completed a couple long drives through the I-5 corridor of CA this weekend. We made it door-to-door without stopping each time, primarily out of curiosity to see how the range would hold up. We have a 2023 Gen 1 R1S, performance dual max with 21" road tires (stock pirellis for now... michelin defenders coming soon).

RivianRoamer's leaderboards would have these two trips as the 2nd and 3rd longest continuous drives all time on a single charge for an R1S. Is @OutofSpecKyle the one that has this beat? Curious what that route was.

Socal-->Norcal
99% departure charge
400 mile departure range
358 miles driven
27 mile arrival range (373 miles consumed)
6% arrival charge 🪫
2.90 mi/kWh avg
143.2 kWh used (141 kWh max pack)
+19.5 kWh added regen
Trip time: 6hr, 53min 🫩

Norcal-->Socal
99% departure charge
400 mile departure range
346 miles driven
29 mile arrival range (371 miles consumed)
7% arrival charge 🪫
2.91 mi/kWh avg
134.2 kWh used (141 kWh max pack)
+15.2 kWh added regen
Trip time: 5hr, 35min

On the way up, it was pretty sticky getting through LA at 3pm on a Friday, then typical 70-80 speeds the rest of the way. On the way down, it was relatively smooth sailing the entire time. Anyone familiar with this route should know that anything under 6 hours is is a 90th percentile outcome.

Our trip climbs 4,000’ elevation through the grapevine, then another 1,400’ climb winding through Pacheco Pass. I do take the climbs closer to 60 in the slow lane. This helps consume a bit less energy on the way up, and regen a bit more on the way down.

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[mkennedy009]

Have done this trip many times, you sub 6 hours is really good. Seems you stayed with the flow of traffic for that run. my best was just over 5, 25+ years ago. I think my bother did it in his Audi diesel in just over 4.5 hours during the wee hours of the morning. It was the early 90's.

 

[Aardvark]

If "without stopping" means no stops charging or otherwise, a tip of my fedora to your bladder capacity.

 

[tivoboy]

It’s interesting you got more REGEN northbound vs. southbound. Southbound I usually have the opposite (in a T LR M3) since going UP the grapevine takes a lot but it’s a pretty long slow burn coming down, vs. the mostly one time big drop northbound coming down to the grapevine.. Maybe with the high weight of the R1S, you get just that much more regen with weight and the big elevation drop coming down to Tejon, vs. the long slow burn heading southbound.

 

[B_Wagon136]

If "without stopping" means no stops charging or otherwise, a tip of my fedora to your bladder capacity.

Yes, that is what it means.

While its nice to know the capacity exists to make it on this trip in one shot , its really the only use case I see for having a need for 400mi range (having a point-to-point destination ~360mi away).

I have family out in the PHX area that lives 384mi door-to-door. I dont think I would push that far to cut it that close, but there are enough charging stations in PHX metro that I suppose we could give it a shot and have enough stations able to rescue us in the event we dip below 5%.

There are also the stories about BMS not being the most accurate specifically when range dips into the single digits, but we didn't experience this on either of our long trips this weekend.

For the sake of any truly long road tripping, routine stops to charge up from 10-80% along the way are always going to make the most sense for convenience, time, and of course, the bladder.

 

[B_Wagon136]

It’s interesting you got more REGEN northbound vs. southbound. Southbound I usually have the opposite (in a T LR M3) since going UP the grapevine takes a lot but it’s a pretty long slow burn coming down, vs. the mostly one time big drop northbound coming down to the grapevine.. Maybe with the high weight of the R1S, you get just that much more regen with weight and the big elevation drop coming down to Tejon, vs. the long slow burn heading southbound.

Getting more regen northbound was purely a function of some stop and go traffic through LA around 4pm on a Friday. Even got detoured off the 5 momentarily to avoid the worst of it, which added about 10mi to the NB route.

 

[tivoboy]

Getting more regen northbound was purely a function of some stop and go traffic through LA around 4pm on a Friday. Even got detoured off the 5 momentarily to avoid the worst of it, which added about 10mi to the NB route.

I get it, have had that.. once back in the 90’s (so totally PRE any type of onboard GPS mapping with traffic date or routing-re-routing let alone WAZE type of info) I left Laguna Beach at 14:30 on a Wednesday heading to OR. By the time we got to Burbank (~ 60 miles) on the 405/5, it was 19:30, at which point I checked into a cheap hotel, walked across the street to a 7-11 (tells you a bit about the hotel quality) and quickly purchased a bottle of Jack. !! ;-)..

Good to hear nothings changed.

 

[mkhuffman]

A great example for why a big battery is good!

A big battery is better than fast DCFC, IMO, if you have to choose. I will take my R1's 200 kW speed and 330 miles of highway range over a 350 kW charging, lower range vehicle any day of the week.

Of course, having both is even better...

 

[Joules Burn]

Congratulations on the treks. Even though I have the max battery, I stop midway at a Tesla SC in Madera, Selma, or Trevor. I'm taking 99 nowadays - it's six lane most of the way. I5 has turned into a "cluster truck".

 

[NeverFollow]

Congratulations on the treks. Even though I have the max battery, I stop midway at a Tesla SC in Madera, Selma, or Trevor. I'm taking 99 nowadays - it's six lane most of the way. I5 has turned into a "cluster truck".

I think you mean "Traver, CA"

You are right, 99 is six lanes while 5 is 4 lanes.
So on 5 when one truck try passing another one,
this takes forever and block everyone, not fun.

And when there is a long lane of cars waiting to pass,
there are always someone passing on the right lane
and then cutting back on the right lane, not pleasant and safe.

Also if you are going to/from San Diego,
I would recommend using 15 with 6 lanes and dual carpool lane.
Then Take 10 at Ontario and 210 at Pasadena.
I also used 138 by Lancaster, which is very flat and had no traffic.

Note: When you have to make a stop between LA and SF,
try avoiding the noon to afternoon time, because you will suffer from the heat.

Also your plug, been exposed to the sun, will be almost burning, slowing down charging.
I saw some people putting a wet towel to help.
In my case I use a piece of cardboard to make some shade.

 

[Joules Burn]

I think you mean "Traver, CA"

You are right, 99 is six lanes while 5 is 4 lanes.
So on 5 when one truck try passing another one,
this takes forever and block everyone, not fun.

And when there is a long lane of cars waiting to pass,
there are always someone passing on the right lane
and then cutting back on the right lane, not pleasant and safe.

Also if you are going to/from San Diego,
I would recommend using 15 with 6 lanes and dual carpool lane.
Then Take 10 at Ontario and 210 at Pasadena.
I also used 138 by Lancaster, which is very flat and had no traffic.

Note: When you have to make a stop between LA and SF,
try avoiding the noon to afternoon time, because you will suffer from the heat.

Also your plug, been exposed to the sun, will be almost burning, slowing down charging.
I saw some people putting a wet towel to help.
In my case I use a piece of cardboard to make some shade.

You are correct. I meant Traver, CA and Bravo farms. Great place for kids. Petting zoo and five story tree house. Telsa SC right next door.

https://bravofarms.com/

Thanks for the other alternatives!

 

[HaveBlue]

This weekend was a 700 mile trip from LA to mesquite NV on the az border. Same max pack as you. If I drove conservatively I could have made it leaving with 100% but lunch dictated we stop and going 75mph with all those mountain passes isn't ideal.

Ended up at Eddie World outside Barstow. They only have a couple of 60kw CCS stations (1kw/min) and then a bunch of V2 Tesla. With 75% still in the battery it didn't matter as we ate lunch and came out to almost 100% and a couple of people waiting. Not sure why they didn't just go to Barstow or something as there's Tesla a few minutes up the road but Eddie World is an experience.

Got to mesquite to visit the wife's brother and in the evening plugged in at Tesla hitting 200kw until the Tesla cables get hot and it backs off (2kw/min effective). We left it while checking in to the casino and grabbing a quick bite. It was almost back to 100% $68 106kw when we came to move it by our room so we could unpack. Plenty of open Tesla stations so we weren't clogging.

Spent Saturday running errands around town and departed around 6pm from there with 80%. The car planned to charge again in Barstow for 14min. The bladder couldn't hold out that long so we stopped at the Baker EA 350s (3kw/min effective) and grabbed snacks at the insanely expensive market. Chips and sodas for two, $34! I understood why people in front of us walked away from some of their stuff. Our short charge stop was also $36 57kw. Got home at 12% lots of driving and fairly fast. Here's the trip but didn't reset until we were already out on the road.

Moral of the story was that the max pack goes further than I need to and charging is transparent to what I'm doing on trips. Efficiency was worse than my lifetime average of 2.5m/kwh but drive fast charge fast I guess. Fuel cost was probably $150 round trip. I estimate our gx470 would have been nearly triple that. Our Audi would have been $150 I'm guessing and, quicker unless a ticket is involved.

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