EV Brands-Cost of Ownership

[RedRaiderRivian]

I had an original LEAF back in 2011. Zero maintenance for the three years I had it. Solid vehicle.

I have a 2016 Leaf that I have put over 70,000 miles on in 6 years. Maintenance has been one set of tires and a 12 volt battery. I upgraded the headlights with LEDs and mostly use the level 1 charger plugged into a 120v dedicated oulet. Now, I did have the 30 kWh battery replaced under warranty with a new 40 kWh battery so I have more range, a lighter battery, and better battery chemistry. I am planning to drive it until the wheels fall off. I can sell the battery pack right now for more than the car's wholesale price.

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[strykerwsu]

We have a 2022 For Mustang Mach e, 30k miles in 3.5 years. The maintenance has been less than $300 during that time while following the suggested maintenance schedule. The tires have not needed to be replaced yet.

We also have a 2023 Audi Q4 e-tron, 31k miles in just under 3 years. Maintenance has been around $600 without a need for tire replacement.

The two vehicles cost almost exactly the same when brand new. The Mach e is a great vehicle that I love almost everything about. The Audi is an overrated vehicle that has absolutely nothing special about it. The range, charging speeds, software/tech, interior, and drivability are all far inferior to the Ford. I can’t wait to replace the Audi.

Wow, I have both and love both. However, the etron charges a lot better and ride is a tremendous upgrade to any vehicle including my Rivians. The Mach e gt speed, handling , tech, and looks is way better but much smaller vehicle. I’m surprised at your dislike of Etron but that is your experience. Now maybe you paid close to list and I paid 2nd hand after 10k of $45k depreciation .

 

[Newtonrj]

Having moved from a '16 Porsche Cayenne PHEV with 230k when I seperated from it, the Cayenne was a fantastic car. Cost of ownership were pretty standard, 20mpg on premium or ~$4.50/gal and basically monthly synthetic oil changes at $200. There were some software errors that took about $4k over 2yrs to trace down and another $4k to fix a small sensor aft of the engine ECU. Overall the Cayenne was an excellent example of modern German engineering. Drove straight, didn't chew through tires, reliable on and off road with the very minor exception of hard locked 40/60 split (front/rear) bias on the transmission.

Of course there were 40k, 60k, 100k, etc inspections, spark plugs, filters. Because it was German, the joke around the house was all maintenance actions were in three categories; $400, $1k and $4k. Michelin A/S lasted about 40k mostly highway miles with about 10% dirt/gravel and costs same/same with EV tires as they were also high-weight rated (Cayenne weighed 5,500lbs). No spare tire as that is where Porsche put the EV battery. Battery helped stabilize the winter car in side-wind but if she got into ice, the traction split worked against the driver's ability to snow-steer. Also paid an insurance rider to flat-bed the car if ever a flat happened. Never needed it but cost of insurance for that options was $75 per 6 months or ~$1,500 over the ownership.

Annual costs for ~35k miles per year:
- Gas ~8k per year (Premium, always)
- As a plugin Hybrid, the electricity cost to charge up was about $40/mo or $500/yr. Always at home/work as J1772 was very rare in the EV commercial charging community.
- Periodic maint - ~$6k per year
- Out-of-Warranty Maint - $12,700 over life or about $1,400/yr
- Tires - $1,200/yr + for Michelin Pilot A/S
- Extras
- PPF , $1,200 on front nose of car and eyeball headlights.
- Ceramic on rest of car, $800
- Apple Carplay/AA 3rd party add, $250

Hope this is of help.

 

[SadHill]

I have posted about this before. My wife has owned a bolt (2019-21) and now a Mach-e (2021-present). I have a LE R1T. Mine has only been tires. One set (have 40,xxx miles). My wife’s on both of her EV’s have been rear rotors and pads because she never used her brakes (regen braking all the time. they seized up and the pads disintegrated which put gauges in the rotors. Not sure if it is cheap ford/chevy pads or what but we had to put on new rotors and pads on both of them. I think the bolt was like $750 and the Mach-e we did last summer for $1,250.
we are on second set of tires on the ford and we have just under 60,000 miles on it.
that is it. Someone else said accessories. Yes. You get addicted to buying fun things for your Rivian to stand out.
happy shopping!

 

[antimatter]

Having moved from a '16 Porsche Cayenne PHEV with 230k when I seperated from it, the Cayenne was a fantastic car. Cost of ownership were pretty standard, 20mpg on premium or ~$4.50/gal and basically monthly synthetic oil changes at $200. There were some software errors that took about $4k over 2yrs to trace down and another $4k to fix a small sensor aft of the engine ECU. Overall the Cayenne was an excellent example of modern German engineering. Drove straight, didn't chew through tires, reliable on and off road with the very minor exception of hard locked 40/60 split (front/rear) bias on the transmission.

Of course there were 40k, 60k, 100k, etc inspections, spark plugs, filters. Because it was German, the joke around the house was all maintenance actions were in three categories; $400, $1k and $4k. Michelin A/S lasted about 40k mostly highway miles with about 10% dirt/gravel and costs same/same with EV tires as they were also high-weight rated (Cayenne weighed 5,500lbs). No spare tire as that is where Porsche put the EV battery. Battery helped stabilize the winter car in side-wind but if she got into ice, the traction split worked against the driver's ability to snow-steer. Also paid an insurance rider to flat-bed the car if ever a flat happened. Never needed it but cost of insurance for that options was $75 per 6 months or ~$1,500 over the ownership.

Annual costs for ~35k miles per year:
- Gas ~8k per year (Premium, always)
- As a plugin Hybrid, the electricity cost to charge up was about $40/mo or $500/yr. Always at home/work as J1772 was very rare in the EV commercial charging community.
- Periodic maint - ~$6k per year
- Out-of-Warranty Maint - $12,700 over life or about $1,400/yr
- Tires - $1,200/yr + for Michelin Pilot A/S
- Extras
- PPF , $1,200 on front nose of car and eyeball headlights.
- Ceramic on rest of car, $800
- Apple Carplay/AA 3rd party add, $250

Hope this is of help.

That's the sort of information I was looking for. I would love to own something like a Porsche EV, especially with 800-volt architecture and quick charging, but I know the German brands like a lot of upkeep. If I could figure out a way to get someone else to pay for it, I'd do it. But, for now, my R1T is going to be as 'luxury' as it gets.

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